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#142352 - 10/19/09 03:26 PM
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I say we hire the physio from Tranmere, he's currrently 1 and 0.
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#142357 - 10/19/09 05:17 PM
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To bring back Barnes at this time would be demoralizing to Tappa and would have a some negative effect on players.
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#142358 - 10/19/09 05:58 PM
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Why are we even discussing bringing back Barnes? I know he went unbeaten over 11+ games but against who, our Caribbean cousins. If that is the case let's bring back Carl Brown. Why not try some continuitty for a change. Leave Whitmore in place and provide him with the tools to succeed.
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#142360 - 10/19/09 06:54 PM
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Why are we even discussing bringing back Barnes? I know he went unbeaten over 11+ games but against who, our Caribbean cousins. If that is the case let's bring back Carl Brown. Why not try some continuitty for a change. Leave Whitmore in place and provide him with the tools to succeed.
Brush,
I DO NOT think Barnes should come back into the Jamaica national team picture at this time. Tappa is doing a good job in preparation for the 2010/2011 Caribbean Cup and 2011 Gold Cup.
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Barnes needs to re-evaluate his management skills and restart in an assistant coaching role elsewhere.
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#142361 - 10/19/09 07:06 PM
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how bout for the Olympic team, why overload tappa
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#142363 - 10/19/09 07:32 PM
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why do you think we have sent Lenny Hyde and Chris Dawes away on coaching courses?
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Look for Barnes to spent 2010 in the broadcast booth and hopefully some coaching/management classes.
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#142364 - 10/19/09 07:39 PM
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JT, like we need to take a trip home asap and sort out this 'bring-back-JB bizniz before it get outta control.
p.s. where is my bredren Fitzroy Simpson? Tell him brush off him resume, we soon mek a change.
~sigh~ my people, my people... ah bwoy...
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#142386 - 10/20/09 06:23 AM
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I say we hire the physio from Tranmere, he's currrently 1 and 0.
He is actually 1 and 1.
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#142463 - 10/21/09 06:35 PM
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John Barnes declared bankrupt by a Liverpool insolvency court
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John Barnes, the former Liverpool and England winger, has been declared bankrupt by a Liverpool insolvency court only days after he was fired as manager of Tranmere Rovers.
Barnes, 45, gave his occupation as a 'provider of media services, lately a footballer'. He was declared insolvent and will be discharged on 14 October, 2010.
The hearing took place five days after Barnes' dismissal from Prenton Park, where his side lost eight of the 11 games under his control. Barnes had quit as manager of Jamaica in May to take over at the League One club, who are local to him.
It was the culmination of an unhappy career in management for Barnes, who had a lucrative playing career, winning 79 England caps and twice winning the Footballer of the Year award. He was still at Watford when he was first capped for England and after his golden years at Liverpool he moved to Newcastle in 1997 and appeared for them as a late substitute in the 1998 FA Cup final, becoming one of a handful of players to appear for three clubs in the Wembley showpiece game.
After finishing his playing days at Charlton Barnes moved to Celtic in tandem with Kenny Dalglish and had a disastrous spell in charge, culminating with an infamous defeat by Inverness Caledonian Thistle in the Scottish Cup in February 2000. He then worked as a pundit for ITV and ended up with his own show, John Barnes Football Night, on Five on Thursday evenings.
Barnes did achieve relative success with Jamaica, taking them to first place in the 2008 Caribbean Championships, but lost the Tranmere job after a 5–0 defeat at Millwall. The team have since won under the caretaker, Les Parry, who has been able to call on Zoumana Bakayogo, a French left-back from PSG who has been man of the match in both his games and who was unable to play due to a delay over his international clearance. "I owe John a lot as he took a chance on me by signing me and I wanted to repay his faith," he said.
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#142464 - 10/21/09 06:35 PM
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I heard the Cayman Islands is looking for a new TD.
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#142465 - 10/21/09 06:46 PM
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Wish him well. Hope he bounces back.
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#142501 - 10/22/09 07:20 PM
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Perhaps John Barnes can give his former Liverpool teammate Steve Nicol a call about the assistant coach position that just opened up in New England. He would definitely make enough to relocate the family to Boston.
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#142509 - 10/23/09 02:37 AM
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Perhaps Barnes can give Reddevil a call. We need to hear from him the best way we can provide meaningful support.
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#142510 - 10/23/09 02:52 AM
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'I am not broke' - Barnes addresses financial standing
Published: Friday | October 23, 2009
Andre Lowe, Senior Staff Reporter
"I am not broke", that was the assurance from former national coach and Liverpool legend John Barnes after reports surfaced in the British media that a Liverpool-based insolvency court had declared him bankrupt.
The former England international instead blamed a tax complication for the mix-up. Barnes, who is believed to have been in meetings with tax officials during the last two days insists that the matter involves an unpaid tax bill dating back to last year, which he simply forgot to pay because of the pressures of his last job.
A source close to Barnes reported that the former Celtic manager assured him that he was not broke, during a telephone conversation between the two yesterday.
"He has asked me to say that he is not broke, he is not bankrupt and this matter is based around some unpaid taxes and some other oversight, everything will be sorted out," said the source who asked not to be named.
Barnes was also quoted in the Liverpool Echo as saying, "I had a petition for a tax bill which I can pay. They set a date for a hearing. But with everything going on at Tranmere, I had other things on my mind - like eight defeats in 11 games."
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Barnes continued, "On October 14 the hearing went ahead. I immediately got in touch with the Inland Revenue and we are in the process of removing the bankruptcy and dealing with the tax bill. This matter will be dealt with, hopefully in the next week."
There is no indication as to the actual amount owed by Barnes, however, the former midfielder tried to play down the situation.
"Everybody owes tax. It hasn't spiralled. The bill relates to last year and they informed me about it four months ago."
This is not the first time that the former England international has been on the wrong side of the law, he was convicted last year of driving without insurance. The former England international is in the process of selling his luxurious five-bedroom property, which is reportedly valued at £650,000 (J$91 million).
Barnes is also said to own a Lexus and BMW vehicles and the Echo quoted an insolvency service spokeswoman, who revealed that they would be working to "dispose of his assets and pay back his creditors".
The 45-year-old led Jamaica to five wins and four draws before moving on to English League One outfit Tranmere Rovers, where he was fired after a poor run of eight losses in 11 games, just five days before the authorities made the declaration.
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#142513 - 10/23/09 07:11 AM
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It seems that our boy Johnny is already looking to the future, and the African continent seems to be a place where he is settings his sights. But I am not sure if his target is too excited about the prospect of hiring him.
Bonnie Mugabe
23 October 2009
Kigali — ENGLAND and Liverpool legend John Barnes has expressed his desire to manage the scalps of Rwanda's national football team, Amavubi Stars.
This was confirmed by Rwanda's Sports Minister Joseph Habineza. "Barnes has contacted us about the job. We have his CV and are weighing the possibilities."
The former England midfielder's managerial career however is not that imposing.
Early this year, Barnes took up managerial duties at English League One side Tranmere Rovers after resigning as Jamaica's coach.
But the 45-year-old was sacked early this month after a run of two wins from eleven league matches.
A distinguished servant of Watford, Liverpool and Newcastle, Barnes's managerial career suffered a stuttering start at Celtic in 1999 and 2000 then he worked in the media until birthplace Jamaica came calling in 2008.
His best managerial career run came as Jamaican coach. He steered the Reggie boys to the Digicel Caribbean Cup title last December and was unbeaten in his 11 games at the helm.
During his playing career, Barnes won 79 caps for England and played at two World Cups as well as the 1988 European Championships. He scored a wonder goal in a 1984 friendly against Brazil in Rio de Janeiro's Maracana.
Being one of the first black players to play for the Three Lions, Barnes helped fight racism within the game.
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#142514 - 10/23/09 07:14 AM
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I think Barnes should continue in international management or take an assistant club job. The African Nations cup is in January 2010 and that is also an attractive prospect.
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#142516 - 10/23/09 07:26 AM
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ohn Barnes not alone in facing taxing issuesAlyson Rudd
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The tax problems of John Barnes have thrown into the spotlight an issue that was supposed to be dead and buried. Footballers are rich beyond the wildest dreams of most so surely debt or insolvency must be beyond them also.
Sadly not. Only two weeks ago Bobo Baldé, the former Celtic defender, was declared bankrupt. The Guinea international said that the declaration was the result of a misunderstanding and he would be able to pay his debts.
John Arne Riise managed to be declared bankrupt at Liverpool County Court two years ago while earning £50,000 a week at Anfield.
Riise’s problems stemmed partly from poor investments and, like Barnes, Riise was too distracted by football matters to realise what was happening.
Footballers’ finances have always been regarded with fascination. The best players used to earn £20 a week until the maximum wage was abolished in 1961.
From the moment Johnny Haynes became the first player to earn £100 a week, fans’ idols have been pushing financial barriers, but the controversy only really began in the late 1990s, when eye-poppingly huge wages were the norm in the top flight.
Agents argue that there is no moral issue because players have a limited career span and have to press for the best deal possible to ensure they have income for their retirement; not all of them can become managers or TV pundits. “Players should know better,” said Danny Davis at the insolvency department of Mischcon de Reya, the solicitors.
Davis says bankruptcy petitions do not appear overnight. “You get tons of notice, documents have to be served personally or a series of letters have to be issued,” he said.
Davis does have sympathy for young players who suddenly have to decide what to do with a massive wage and may be swayed by the dressing-room banter rather than sound financial advice.
In many ways there is no excuse for a player to find himself in financial difficulty.
Financial advisers visit football clubs and the Professional Footballers’ Association (PFA) will offer immediate advice and put a player in touch with an adviser but the player has to want to pick up the phone.
Few young players can be bothered with investigating educational courses, provided by the PFA, when they are playing for the first team and can afford any car they choose.
Barnes has said that he does not need a financial adviser.
“There must be exceptional circumstances for someone to find themselves in that position,” John Bramhall, the deputy chief executive of the PFA, said of players reaching the bankruptcy courts. “There is help out there.”
Before the Seventies, however, help was scarce. Players paid two shillings a week into a central fund and received £750 when they retired at 35.
If a player’s career ended prematurely, he still had to wait until the official retirement age. Today the system is much more generous.
Since 1980 the PFA has paid out £90 million in lump sums to players aged between 35 and 40. And those payments are on a non-contributory basis funded by football as a wealthy industry.
The remarkable thing is how little bitterness is expressed by players who missed out on the riches.
Dave Beasant, the former Wimbledon goalkeeper, suggests that had a player gone to Dave Bassett, his manager at Wimbledon, to demand appearance fees, Bassett would have retorted: “What do you think I’m paying you a f**kin’ weekly wage for — to come here and not play?”
Additional reporting: Nick Szczepanik
1960s
Charlie Aitken (Aston Villa) Annual salary peak: £30,000
Aitken made a record 656 appearances for Aston Villa between 1961 and 1976. The left back was the club’s union representative when the players decided to go on strike for the abolition of the maximum wage.
“The most money I earned in football was when I played for New York Cosmos in America in 1976 and ’77,” he said. “I played with Pelé for two years and because of him we were the best-paid players over there.
“There wasn’t a massive jump in pay until Sky came in. Even the 1982 team that won the European Cup weren’t on massive money — maybe £1,000 bonus for the win, maybe £500 a week.”
He decided not to go into management because there was no money it. “Football was almost a hobby,” Aitken said. “I received twice as much from grouse-beating in the Scottish Highlands for a week as I did from playing football over the same period.
“I dared not tell my parents how little I was earning from football. They’d have gone mental. It had cost them almost as much to have me educated in Edinburgh as I was getting from the game. I always looked on my football income as a declining asset.”
One of the striking differences between Aitken’s era and today is that the fans and the players earned a similar wage. “George Graham and I used to get the bus from our digs to Villa Park,” he said. “If the bus had been late we’d have missed the game. You played in front of 30-40,000 people and then you got the bus back with the spectators.”
Aitken, now 67, worked in insurance and started buying property in 1969. “So at the moment I'm OK,” he said. “Because I planned ahead massively.”
1970s
Jim Steele (Southampton) Annual salary peak: £10,000
Steele was man of the match when Southampton defeated Manchester United in the 1976 FA Cup Final and moved to the United States in 1977. He worked as a foreman for an electrical firm in Washington — he trained as a mechanical engineer before becoming a professional footballer — as well as playing for the Washington Diplomats.
Steele spent 18 years in the US. “It was too long,” he said. “By the time I came back, nobody had heard of me.”
When he left Southampton the Scottish defender was earning £120 per week plus £60 as a win bonus and £20 for a draw.
He earned £3,600 for winning the FA Cup but £2,400 went in tax and the rest was swallowed up in paying for his parents to stay in a hotel for the week so they could go to the game and have a few drinks.
“I see former players and they are virtually down and outs and I think, ‘We’ve got to help this guy,’ ” he said. “The PFA should be helping these ex-players, some of them have turned to drink. It’s all right for the Paul Gascoignes of this world who have money, or seem to, but the PFA should look after the more minor players.”
These days a steady stream of former players will pop into the Black Bear pub in Moreton-in-Marsh, Gloucestershire, where Steele is landlord, and the likes of Bryan Robson, Steve Bruce and Jimmy Case have their photographs on the walls.
Steele says people pop in and say how much they fancy running a pub when they retire and he tells them: “They are nuts. I’ll be 60 in March and I don’t want to be doing this 24 hours a day. But I can’t afford to give it up yet.”
1980s
Dave Beasant (Wimbledon) Annual salary peak: £80,000
Beasant was goalkeeper for Wimbledon (1979-88), Newcastle United (1988-89) and Chelsea (1989-93) among others, earned two England caps in 1989 and now coaches at the Glenn Hoddle Academy in southern Spain.
Beasant will be best remembered for saving John Aldridge’s penalty in the 1988 FA Cup Final win over Liverpool but says his side were on vastly lower salaries than the Liverpool players.
“When I was at Wimbledon, the money was a pittance,” he said. “I was playing because I was doing something I wanted to. Dave Bassett [the manager] used to have an insurance business, Wally Downes [the midfielder] ran a fruit stall, and a few others were looking for outside avenues to subsidise incomes because sometimes the football money wasn’t fantastic. It was incentive-based, bonuses for clean sheets.
“We couldn’t afford the flash cars they are going around in now. There was a story that Lawrie Sanchez could only afford a beaten-up old Mini with a red nose on it for Red Nose Day. Actually his windscreen had broken and it was his nose that had gone red because it was so cold.”
Beasant, 50, added: “I kept going as long as I could, so I carried on earning decent money until I was 43, 44. It was love of the game but the income was also a big plus.
“The drop-off in wages from playing at even a low level to coaching — even to managing — can be enormous in the lower divisions. Sometimes in the lower divisions, clubs can’t afford a full-time specialist goalkeeping coach, so you do a day at this club, a day at another. And if you are out of work, as I have been at times, the hole is even bigger.”
1990s
John Barnes (Liverpool) Annual salary peak: £750,000
The England winger’s career off the pitch has been more miss than hit and culminated in him missing a bankruptcy petition within a week of being sacked as manager of Tranmere Rovers.
As Barnes was not present at the petition — he missed it because of the turmoil at Prenton Park — a bankruptcy order was granted. This was greeted with shock among football fans, leading Barnes to explain the order as a “tax oversight” and his lawyer to issue a statement to say Barnes is not insolvent.
Barnes signed for Watford in 1981 — the fee was a set of football shirts — and six years later moved to Liverpool for £900,000. He left Anfield on a free transfer in 1997 to join Newcastle United and retired from football as a Charlton Athletic player in 1999.
Barnes was hardly idle after finishing his playing career, in which he won 79 caps for England and appeared at two World Cups. He had already exhibited some entrepreneurial flair when at Anfield; he led the Anfield Rap that reached No 3 in the charts in 1988. And he was in the charts again after featuring in the 1990 World Cup anthem World in Motion with New Order.
But his post-playing days lurched between managerial and television roles. His appointment as manager of Celtic was widely acknowledged as unfortunate, as was his stint as a television presenter with Five.
Barnes, 45, received mixed reviews for his appearances on Strictly Come Dancing two years ago, although his salsa received critical acclaim, and he then reappeared on the football scene as manager of Jamaica. In June he became manager of Tranmere but was sacked after two wins in 11 games.
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Robbie Fowler (Liverpool)
Annual salary peak: £2 million
The player most famous for investing wisely is Robbie Fowler. The former Liverpool striker, known by the fans at Anfield as “God”, was named as one of the wealthiest people in Britain in the most recent Sunday Times Rich List.
The bulk of Fowler’s wealth — estimated at £31 million — has come through cleverly timed investments in property. He owns about 80 flats and houses, including a street of terrace houses in Oldham.
Fowler’s success is so well documented there was even a terrace chant inspired by it. “We all live in a Robbie Fowler house” was sung by Manchester City fans to the tune of the Beatles’ Yellow Submarine.
Fowler, who went on to play for Leeds United and City, also made money by linking up with Steve McManaman, his team-mate at Liverpool. The pair set up a company, The Macca and Growler Partnership, to invest in racehorses including Seebald, who won the Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother Celebration Chase in 2003.
Possibly inspired by Fowler, plenty of the Premier League’s top earners have also invested in property but come unstuck as construction firms have gone bust and house prices have fallen.
Fowler remains untouched by the credit crunch; not least because Oldham is one of the few regions witnessing an increase in property values. His houses there cost £20,000 in the late 1990s and are worth more than £80,000 today. Fowler also turned an hotel in Airdrie into lucrative luxury apartments.
After a three-month deal with Blackburn Rovers expired last December, Fowler, 34, signed a two-year contract with the North Queensland Fury.
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#142593 - 10/24/09 01:58 PM
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Barnes Reflects on Tranmere
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#142611 - 10/24/09 06:59 PM
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Keep up the fight Digger.
While keane has not match in 14 games at Championship side Ipswich.
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