Well I personally don't have much energy left after spending all of it on trying to not run di Boyz dem over wid mi civic, but as Walmart now have mi meds for $4 it mek it a little bit easier to continue supporting.
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jamatl , Black people will never get together over a issue, thats why all the other races laugh at us . JB , have coached in a Professional setting , Tappa have never done so . I have diguisely supported JB for the few days he was with Jamaica and will support him while @ Tramere rovers , but JB ambitions got the better of him . He had no patience , and thats why he is where he's at today.All he had to do was stay with Jamaica an build a team for 2014 , ITs not too late to do so.
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Stay with Jamaica how? Morph into Burrell and announce a contract extension for himself? JFF decided not to renew his contract and the announcement of his move to Tranmere came AFTER he was notified by JFF. As others will tell you JFF couldn´t afford Barnes so staying in Jamaica would mean unemployment, he did what he had to do.
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Stay with Jamaica how? Morph into Burrell and announce a contract extension for himself? JFF decided not to renew his contract and the announcement of his move to Tranmere came AFTER he was notified by JFF. As others will tell you JFF couldn´t afford Barnes so staying in Jamaica would mean unemployment, he did what he had to do.
redz am sure something could be worked out .... In the long run Jamaica will need a coach , This is bigga than Tappa ! .
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JFF did everything to turn Barnes off the job, short term contract, no assistance in relocating his family to Jamaica (forcing him to do a lot of work from England) and no reward for winning the Cup other more qualified coaches couldn´t in recent years. After all that dumping him just b4 a tournament while he had an undefeated record. Face it JFF wasn´t going to work anything out with him.
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Yes, black people can unite on a issue.
But understand one thing, JB has a wife and six children to support, he is the patriarch of his family. The JFF cut his salary and then did not offer him an extension, and he must support his family. The JFF could not afford to offer him a contract that would allow for him to relocate his family from England and live a comfortable life.
So some of us can at least voice our support for the one of the few Caribbean-born managers in the UK, remember one of our footballers may end up in the same situation.
It is really hard support failure. He needs to start getting some results to show that he knows what he is doing.
You can´t argue against the results Jagga. But if that´s the way you feel, why do you support the Reggaeboyz after 3 straight failed World Cup bids? Just a consistency question nothing more.
No intent to disrespect your request, which I totally agree with and support.
Where was the overwhelming support that you are calling for now when Barnes was 'pushed' out of the Jamaica job in which he was clearly successful ?
Actually, if you checked the archives you will find 1 or 2 threads filled with support, disgust and anger over that decision!
Those same archives will show my consistent opinion that to get rid of John Barnes when the JFF did was a diabolically bad 'football' decision and outside of the one or two posts that you have mentioned,most were supporting the decision for any other reasons than football.
I support Tappa because the failure on the football field at the GC was one of politics, not his failure as a coach given a team for political and not football reasons.
Barnes leading and Tappa assisting at the GC might have given us results to all feel happy about as the football indications were showing and Barnes heading off to what have not proven to be 'greener' pastures would still leave us with our 'feel good' factor.
Now we will never know.; big up both John Barnes and Tappa in their succesful careers as football managers/coaches !
Ric I told you before that if JB had coached the Boyz in the GC and brought the players YOU thought he was going to bring (the locals) and finished anywhere except as champions he would've been a lot more villified than you perceive him to be currently.
From that point of view the JFF saved his behind.
Take a poll if you don't believe me.
Peleppa
Here u go, giving me the political line again. We understand its politricks why John Barnes, the successful coach of the Jamaican national team up to when he was ditched, did not take the team to the GC.
Any international football coach has the right and responsibility to select the team that he thinks will win matches and bring success to the team, his job and the country he is coaching.
The only measure of that success is his record from a football point of view.
Anything else is pure politricks; in the final analysis I did not suggest that John Barnes team was only going to be made up of local players.
I used the basis of his last match against Panama as an indication of the team he might have carried based purely on results.
At the end of the day, zero out of zero equals zero and Jamaica without John Barnes at the helm at the GC ended up with a big fat zero and no one can argue with that result.
Anything else based on what might have been is pure conjecture but one cannot argue with a 9-match unbeaten record and that is the only basis on which he should be judged as Jamaica's football manager/coach.
It is really hard support failure. He needs to start getting some results to show that he knows what he is doing.
You can´t argue against the results Jagga. But if that´s the way you feel, why do you support the Reggaeboyz after 3 straight failed World Cup bids? Just a consistency question nothing more.
I support the Reggae Boyz because that is my team. They represent my country and I can relate to what is going on with them. Asking me to support Trenmere which I do not care much for is totally different. I do not know the players, I do not know their history and I have no interest in them. In addition I did not see much support for Barnes on this forum when he was getting sacked by Celtic.
I wish Barnes well but for me to support Trenmere I need to see results from the team
It is really hard support failure. He needs to start getting some results to show that he knows what he is doing.
You can´t argue against the results Jagga. But if that´s the way you feel, why do you support the Reggaeboyz after 3 straight failed World Cup bids? Just a consistency question nothing more.
No intent to disrespect your request, which I totally agree with and support.
Where was the overwhelming support that you are calling for now when Barnes was 'pushed' out of the Jamaica job in which he was clearly successful ?
Actually, if you checked the archives you will find 1 or 2 threads filled with support, disgust and anger over that decision!
Those same archives will show my consistent opinion that to get rid of John Barnes when the JFF did was a diabolically bad 'football' decision and outside of the one or two posts that you have mentioned,most were supporting the decision for any other reasons than football.
I support Tappa because the failure on the football field at the GC was one of politics, not his failure as a coach given a team for political and not football reasons.
Barnes leading and Tappa assisting at the GC might have given us results to all feel happy about as the football indications were showing and Barnes heading off to what have not proven to be 'greener' pastures would still leave us with our 'feel good' factor.
Now we will never know.; big up both John Barnes and Tappa in their succesful careers as football managers/coaches !
Ric I told you before that if JB had coached the Boyz in the GC and brought the players YOU thought he was going to bring (the locals) and finished anywhere except as champions he would've been a lot more villified than you perceive him to be currently.
From that point of view the JFF saved his behind.
Take a poll if you don't believe me.
Peleppa
Here u go, giving me the political line again. We understand its politricks why John Barnes, the successful coach of the Jamaican national team up to when he was ditched, did not take the team to the GC.
Any international football coach has the right and responsibility to select the team that he thinks will win matches and bring success to the team, his job and the country he is coaching.
The only measure of that success is his record from a football point of view.
Anything else is pure politricks; in the final analysis I did not suggest that John Barnes team was only going to be made up of local players.
I used the basis of his last match against Panama as an indication of the team he might have carried based purely on results.
At the end of the day, zero out of zero equals zero and Jamaica without John Barnes at the helm at the GC ended up with a big fat zero and no one can argue with that result.
Anything else based on what might have been is pure conjecture but one cannot argue with a 9-match unbeaten record and that is the only basis on which he should be judged as Jamaica's football manager/coach.
While I myself hate politics I don't ignore it, I deal with it when it is present. To say a national coach measure is solely on result is to ignore what he pass the majority of his time doing, which is playing politics. Those results he is judged on are determined on how adepth he is at playing the political game around him.
My point is simple.
You are the only one who really think JB would've brought a local base team to the GC...Do you pressume that team would have won the GC?
Yes? argument done. All criticisms could be ignored.
No? What would've been the reaction from the fans then?
I say JB would be villified...Whay say ye?
A Jamaican coach will have to have very big you know what to turn up at the GC with a local base team following what happened in the qualifiers.
Then again maybe not. A mostly local base team showed up to the qualifiers following the heavy criticism Bora took. So somebody ears hard.
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Shame shame shame we have so much division between us.
o lord i hope am wrong about you being hondurian , cause it feels am walking down Kingston street in by boxers and everyone looking on .... thats shame !
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Originally Posted By: reddevil
Originally Posted By: Jagga
It is really hard support failure. He needs to start getting some results to show that he knows what he is doing.
You can´t argue against the results Jagga. But if that´s the way you feel, why do you support the Reggaeboyz after 3 straight failed World Cup bids? Just a consistency question nothing more.
I support the Reggae Boyz because that is my team. They represent my country and I can relate to what is going on with them. Asking me to support Trenmere which I do not care much for is totally different. I do not know the players, I do not know their history and I have no interest in them. In addition I did not see much support for Barnes on this forum when he was getting sacked by Celtic.
I wish Barnes well but for me to support Trenmere I need to see results from the team
Respect for supporting Barnes.......if Tranmere is successfull as a result, good for them.
It is really hard support failure. He needs to start getting some results to show that he knows what he is doing.
You can´t argue against the results Jagga. But if that´s the way you feel, why do you support the Reggaeboyz after 3 straight failed World Cup bids? Just a consistency question nothing more.
I support the Reggae Boyz because that is my team. They represent my country and I can relate to what is going on with them. Asking me to support Trenmere which I do not care much for is totally different. I do not know the players, I do not know their history and I have no interest in them. In addition I did not see much support for Barnes on this forum when he was getting sacked by Celtic.
I wish Barnes well but for me to support Trenmere I need to see results from the team
Interesting, nuff man knew nothing of Bolton, Hull City, Rushden, Hearts, Aalborg etc. But put one Reggaeboy on any of these teams and plenty people make sure to know what each of those teams did every week and can tell you what league position they are in week after week!!! And I assure you the people didn´t know those teams other players either - you think Watford was invited to Jamaica back in the day because of Pat Rice??? It´s because Jamaicans wanted to see John Barnes and Luther Blissett up close in the National stadium. It surprises me that a moderator doesn´t know who Ian Goodison is.....since you say you don´t know the Tranmere players
Not because a Jamaican plays for a team means that I should support that team. It is my choice to support whatever team I want to follow. So when Bibi or Pepe stop playing for a team do you still support the team? Do you still follow the teams that Walter Boyd and Tappa played for?
Sure I will follow the results as I do all teams and hope that the Jamaican players perform well, but does that mean I am a supporter?
It sounds like so many waggonist that support Jamaica when they are doing good and them fall off the wagon when the team starts doing bad. Good Luck to JB and Pepe but I would rather support Harbour View
But when you say you can´t support failure (even though in reality it is a bad start not failure yet) and we are talking about a Jamaican....you realise who looks like the waggonist?
