Gwaan ask yu question Jamatl. Yu know if one ant did get trampled we woulda hear bout it. Most time it seems they only need time to come up with an excuse why what they promised did not materialized again. When you find out your contractor cannot be trusted you ask him for a progress report. Same here.
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Mi gwan ask.....why? In November 2007, Burrell talked about fail WC campaigns, financial mismanagement and lack of an academy. Now, we eight(8) months left in his current term same ting. It is not a lack of funds to complete this academy because dat is FIFA money.
So if Boxhill tief English FA money....now Burrell should tief FIFA money.
We should get a progress report with photos and a financial report, so him no chat foolishness in September.
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Phase One, which will involve the creation of one football field, dressing-room facilities and a technical area for use by training staff, is scheduled for completion in September this year. It will be constructed with the US$400,000 FIFA Goal Project disbursement.
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Mayor confirms JFF applications before KSAC
By Howard Walker Observer staff reporter walkerh@jamaicaobserver.com
Tuesday, March 23, 2010
Kingston Mayor Desmond McKenzie confirmed yesterday that the KSAC has received all fees associated with an application made by the Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) for the construction of a technical centre for football at lands located at the University of the West Indies, Mona.
The mayor said during the weekly Monday Exchange meeting of reporters and editors at the Observer's Beechwood Avenue headquarters yesterday that the JFF has paid the building approval application fees, two months after they initially wanted to start construction on their Goal Project for the proposed technical centre.
MCKENZIE... what we have tried to do to is assist them MCKENZIE... what we have tried to do to is assist them 1/1
Said McKenzie: "They have officially made the application... they have subsequently come in and paid the fees and the application is being dealt with, whether positive or negative."
Asked if the cash-strapped JFF requested a waiver of the fees, McKenzie responded: "Yes."
On January 6, the JFF announced that it had the go-ahead from FIFA for contractors TankWeld Limited to start construction on phase one of the project, but the delay with the processing of the building application has stalled the start-up of the work.
The initial phase of the technical centre is expected to include two full-sized training fields with proper underground irrigation systems, perimeter fencing, the construction of rest rooms and changing facilities, as well as facilities for technical staff.
But the mayor warned that no work can be done without the proper procedure.
As a result, contractors TankWeld has been on hold as the clock ticks on the proposed timeline for the September for completion, which coincides with the visit of FIFA president Sepp Blatter to the region for the FIFA Under-17 Women's World Cup in Trinidad and Tobago.
"What we have tried to do to is assist them... we understand that there is a time factor in terms of this money, we can look at a possible outline approval if it reaches that stage and we can be accommodating," said McKenzie.
"There is no more building meeting for this month, but if needs be and my officers are satisfied then...," the no-nonsense councillor said.
Chairman of the JFF Technical Committee, Howard McIntosh, said last evening that the federation had submitted all that is required of the KSAC.
"Everything has been paid and everything has been properly filed... we are just waiting on the approval," said McIntosh.
"They have indicated that they will try and accommodate us and I hope that they will make all the necessary things (available) that will allow us to proceed," he added.
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Originally Posted By: pelepapa
Gwaan ask yu question Jamatl. Yu know if one ant did get trampled we woulda hear bout it. Most time it seems they only need time to come up with an excuse why what they promised did not materialized again. When you find out your contractor cannot be trusted you ask him for a progress report. Same here.
From the post, now you understand why a progress report is needed. I will check again in June for updates.
Gwaan ask yu question Jamatl. Yu know if one ant did get trampled we woulda hear bout it. Most time it seems they only need time to come up with an excuse why what they promised did not materialized again. When you find out your contractor cannot be trusted you ask him for a progress report. Same here.
From the post, now you understand why a progress report is needed. I will check again in June for updates.
Jamatl, some people seh fool mi once shame on you, fool mi twice shame on me. Others just accept being fooled over and over again and act surprise each time.
Gwaan ask yu question Jamatl. Yu know if one ant did get trampled we woulda hear bout it. Most time it seems they only need time to come up with an excuse why what they promised did not materialized again. When you find out your contractor cannot be trusted you ask him for a progress report. Same here.
From the post, now you understand why a progress report is needed. I will check again in June for updates.
Jamatl, some people seh fool mi once shame on you, fool mi twice shame on me. Others just accept being fooled over and over again and act surprise each time.
Any game set fi next month? hahaha!
Pelepappa
Real talk dis, seen !?
U can lead the horse to water but u caan force im to drink.
Check this out; today inna England, big ruckus cause Watmore, chief executive of the FA resign im post afta 9 months, citing certain issues. The facts as stated really reveal a power struggle with Alex Ferguson and the FA because of certain disciplinary decision inconsistencies but the truth is, Watmore is Fergie's bwoy and cause Fergie caan get his way, Watmore resign.
What this shows is the sync between the Premiere League and the English FA, that run the game in England between them.
There is no disconnect, that is how the richest football country in the world run the world's richest league and the England national side, which is the responsibility of the FA, is really a secondary issue as long as England performs reasonably well internationally.
Now you check out Burrell's likkle sycophants and spies on this forum like the one CARTER and see how much propaganda Burrell spreading pon this very site about the true nature of the job that the JFF is or should be doing in Jamaican football.
Mi name Ric an mi nah tek back dis talk, u si mi ?!
Why you think the Trinidad situation is further along than the Jamaican situation in the development of the professional game in Trinidad ?
On the face of the matter, Trinidad has not produced any more players who have earned professional contracts abroad than Jamaica since 1998 and Jamaica has produced and keeps producing those players out of a league that is less professional and less paying than the Trini league.
Why is this and what does this tell us ?
It tells us that Jack Warner is a much better football administrator than Horace Burrell although they both are the power behind Blatter in FIFA.
This all has to do with personal and even national focus and could easily be influenced by national culture as well.
Austin 'Jack' Warner could easily become the next president of FIFA and Burrell Vice-President but Warner, even the samfi and con man that he is, still has more love for Trinidad and Trinidad's football and football people than Burrell will ever have for Jamaica.
They both have the power and opportunity to help build professional football in their own countries but who has the better track record in this respect and Burell's likkle sychophants will tell us sey 'is Trinidad's oil money mek the difference' as their defence of Burrell. BULLS%%$£"T !
Burrell only love Burrell and this is Jamaica's legacy.
When will Jamaica emerge out of the 'slave culture' that we've been mired in so many, many years after Emancipation ?
I, for one, am still waiting to see some evidence that we will.
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Talk I,
Burrell naw fool wi......dis business about one match per month is foolishness. We need to make sure that the senior national team is prepared for the 2010 Caribbean Cup and the youths for the early qualification rounds.
Get the academy running by September 2010 and youth training right.
Ric you have the solution and the resources so do it man you only talking. Not to discourage you but it takes a lot more than you think to right our poor track record in football development and administration. I am not sure what people expect from the academy but it is physical resources that we can start with. We need still to maintain it and it is not going to change our football history overnight. You all of to admit there is no money in our quarter professional league, the JFF has no money, the fans are bandwagonist, the sponsors are what is in it for me. You all tell me how soon we are going to become a top football nation if we do not build this thing with the business community coming on board 100% to support the academy and the local teams.
Lincoln can you tell these guys to get of the France 1998 weed.
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Right now, the JFF has pay rent play at the national stadium, they also need to pay rent to train at the national stadium or any other location.
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Now, FIFA is willing to grant the JFF at least US$500,000 to build their own training facility and mini-stadium, so they do need to pay rental fees anymore. Our main responsibility as fans/supporters is to pay to attend matches and buy merchandise.
Wait deh yu awrite Ric... Sound like yu tek the Liverpool lost hard...
But its tru dat bout Burrell..
U hav to come better than this...
Address what I've said point by point if you need to make a counter point or crticism.
What I've noticed is that some man only really understand the game in Jamaica's context in Jamaica and the game they're watching on the field at the time.
Them no really understand how this game is structured and how the countries that are successful football countries work at building and maintaining that success and that model is the model to adapt and follow.
The smaller Asian countries don't all have more financial resources than Jamaica but have progressed in football at a much more rapid rate in just the last few years.
Ric you have the solution and the resources so do it man you only talking. Not to discourage you but it takes a lot more than you think to right our poor track record in football development and administration. I am not sure what people expect from the academy but it is physical resources that we can start with. We need still to maintain it and it is not going to change our football history overnight. You all of to admit there is no money in our quarter professional league, the JFF has no money, the fans are bandwagonist, the sponsors are what is in it for me. You all tell me how soon we are going to become a top football nation if we do not build this thing with the business community coming on board 100% to support the academy and the local teams.
Lincoln can you tell these guys to get of the France 1998 weed.
Carter I agree with just about everything you said. But instead of directing your post towards Ric you should direct it towards Burrell. My problem with Burrell's leadership is that he has been acting like he doesn't understand the challenges faced by the programme. He has done nothing to address the challenges you listed and none of his proposals/plans seem to take these challenges into consideration until he runs up against time and realize seh he can't deliver. That's not how you run a football programme. You seh people act like seh they don't understand the challenges...but if the leader acts likewise what is to be expected?
You seh the league doesn't have any money. Mussi only you and me know that, because Burrell sure seems to be oblivious to that fact. If the league is the cornerstone of the programme then you can't just use it as a feeder for other leagues. You have to put restriction in place to limit the players just leaving. Burrell like an ordinary fan encourages it, as a matter of fact it is part of his manifesto.
You seh the JFF have no money. I am glad you started to see that, because for a while I thought I was the only one who saw it. What did Burrell accomplished by taking the team to SA? Jamaica was uniquely positioned to make a lot of money in the runup to this WC and now that opportunity is all but frittered away.
You seh the fans are waggonists. Burrell no know that? He and his minions can't mention his name without pointing out his powerful position within CONCACAF/FIFA. Why doesn't he use that power to position Jamaica to succeed in tournaments, which will attract fans and probably convert them from waggonists to diehards?
You talk bout sponsors. The same applies to them as the waggonist fans above.
You guys talking about academy. Are you guys sure Burrell can use FIFA 'Project Goal' money in the manner he stated? He intend to go into some joint partnership with the University or something to that effect...Is this allowed by FIFA or must the academy be solely for football development purpose without any other ties? Would someone check it out fi mi so unnu don't waste unnu time and emotional energy?
Ric you have the solution and the resources so do it man you only talking. Not to discourage you but it takes a lot more than you think to right our poor track record in football development and administration. I am not sure what people expect from the academy but it is physical resources that we can start with. We need still to maintain it and it is not going to change our football history overnight. You all of to admit there is no money in our quarter professional league, the JFF has no money, the fans are bandwagonist, the sponsors are what is in it for me. You all tell me how soon we are going to become a top football nation if we do not build this thing with the business community coming on board 100% to support the academy and the local teams.
Lincoln can you tell these guys to get of the France 1998 weed.
Carter I agree with just about everything you said. But instead of directing your post towards Ric you should direct it towards Burrell. My problem with Burrell's leadership is that he has been acting like he doesn't understand the challenges faced by the programme. He has done nothing to address the challenges you listed and none of his proposals/plans seem to take these challenges into consideration until he runs up against time and realize seh he can't deliver. That's not how you run a football programme. You seh people act like seh they don't understand the challenges...but if the leader acts likewise what is to be expected?
You seh the league doesn't have any money. Mussi only you and me know that, because Burrell sure seems to be oblivious to that fact. If the league is the cornerstone of the programme then you can't just use it as a feeder for other leagues. You have to put restriction in place to limit the players just leaving. Burrell like an ordinary fan encourages it, as a matter of fact it is part of his manifesto.
You seh the JFF have no money. I am glad you started to see that, because for a while I thought I was the only one who saw it. What did Burrell accomplished by taking the team to SA? Jamaica was uniquely positioned to make a lot of money in the runup to this WC and now that opportunity is all but frittered away.
You seh the fans are waggonists. Burrell no know that? He and his minions can't mention his name without pointing out his powerful position within CONCACAF/FIFA. Why doesn't he use that power to position Jamaica to succeed in tournaments, which will attract fans and probably convert them from waggonists to diehards?
You talk bout sponsors. The same applies to them as the waggonist fans above.
You guys talking about academy. Are you guys sure Burrell can use FIFA 'Project Goal' money in the manner he stated? He intend to go into some joint partnership with the University or something to that effect...Is this allowed by FIFA or must the academy be solely for football development purpose without any other ties? Would someone check it out fi mi so unnu don't waste unnu time and emotional energy?
Pelepappa
Mi respect CARTER, as mi respect all the other ites who don't get personal and vitriolic on the site.
CARTER is obviously a die-hard Burrellist and there's nothing wrong with that.
I am not an anti-Burrellist but for a long time now some of us have been pointing out the things that Burrell or any other JFF chief should be doing, haven't been doing and the obvious results in the game in Jamaica.
What you keep getting from CARTER are the same old tired excuses as to why his boy,Burrell, can't do more than he is but he's not doing nearly enough to start with and my former post only shows up the comparison between Burrell and Jack Warner.
Getting Jamaica to France 98 did not advance and improve football in Jamaica; lets make this quite clear.
France 98 was a 'one-off' project, tinged with a huge slice of luck with the advantage of an almost unplayable pitch for the opposition during that qualifying campaign, not taking anything away from Simoes and Jamaica's achievement in getting there.
It has been almost total failure for Jamaican football in the 12 years since then and in comparison, Harbour View FC is still producing professional players and selling them right, left and center and making millions of $$$ in the process.
Is it not the same football market in JA that HVFC is being sucessful in that the JFF is spectacularly failing in ?
You will never get CARTER and the other Burrellists on this site to see things that clearly when it comes to the JFFs performance under Burrell.
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I have to disagree that Jamaican football has been a total failure in the past 12 years.
The quality of the players and stadiums in the NPL/DPL has improved over the past 12 years. The senior national team consists of 85% full-time paid professional players. Also, the JFF is able to attract world-class level coaches, they might not be able pay them.
Now, perhaps the biggest failure of the JFF and Jamaican football is the lack of growth in terms of paid supporters who attend matches, coupled with the Reggaeboyz failure to reach the CONCACAF final round in 2001, 2005 and 2009.
Jamatl, we did make the Hex in 2001 but we did fail finishing 2 spots below qualification. Ric, your points about the pitch have been made by our rivals but I have to wonder was our pitch better in 1994 when the USA beat us 3-0? Were the fields bad when we made the Gold Cup semis in 1993? Was the pitch in Washington, DC unplayable in 1997 or in Cuscatlan when we went to El Salvador and forced them to come from behind to snatch a point??? It wasn't all done in the office and 1998 was happening from before the qualification began as our previous Gold Cup success showed. What has happened is that while the Confederation has improved as a whole we have not improved at the same level if we have improved at all. And calling the improvement into question is a failure in itself. It's a typical defect with our culture to sit back and revel in our accomplishments then suddenly realise we aren't as good as we thought. The same way we are complaining about losing reggae, our tourism and our national airline because we think our past will get us through our present and future and we forget about others improving and passing us by.
Administration is the key problem because talent is there. The teamwork culture is lacking because of administration as well as culture. But the waggonist thing can't be underestimated. This whole culture of dividing UB40 versus local balla, dis club balla versus dat club balla, dis school balla versus dat school balla, Town balla versus Western balla has to be killed in favour of the collective. It's a culture thing with the fans that at times ignores what's best for Jamaica with a favourite balla or school or club small clanish mentality and we need to build a football culture and total pro Jamaica culture without all the in-fighting. Divide and conquer is what your opponents will say but we are doing the division by ourselves and it only helps our rivals. Then there is the whole dependence on sponsors which is always a last minute battle going into qualification, it's not fixed like in the other countries in the region with a true football culture. No waggonism there except to add to what is fixed. And guess what? Those sponsors don't run the selection processes either. The day when we pick a TD and a team without worry about what will the sponsors say will be a day to celebrate.
No one has followed the situation closer than I have since the 98 qualifying round;after all, Pepe had not left the K man league one full season before we hear sey, 'Ian Goodison get call up for Jamaica and man an man well happy fi im but some man a mutter unda dem breath sey, 'but Pepe no good !!' he he he !
U don know how man stay aredy
The pitch did play its part but of course, that was not the entire story of qualifying for France.
Fast forward to the current situation...
I've said elsewhere that my view of the JFF role is to do more co-ordination in bringing all of Jamaica's football stakeholders and sponsors into one collective plan for football in Jamaica.
Some man sticking to the line that the JFF's only role is to run the natioanal teams and their programs.
Even in England, where that job falls under the FA's responsibility, the English FA has a much broader role in the co-ordination and running of the professional club game along all levels and so should the JFF in Jamaica.
My issue with Mr. Burrell, who I know and respect on a personal level, is that in his second term he has shown a distinct lack of committment to do that in the same way that he was totally committed to getting Jamaica to France and that is what the JFF needs.
His main failures have come since 2008 really with some diabolical decisions that his followers on this site will not hold him accountable for and the knock-on effect has been very detrimental to the commercial advancement of football.
Without the funds coming in, I agree that very little can be done but who shot themselves in the foot when screwing up the last 2 golden opportunities that were there before the next one comes along, not until the 2014 qualifiers.
Really, its the clubs that are keeping football afloat in Jamaica right now.
