What system are you talking about? I am lost. Please state exactly where the money should go.
The operation will need sponsorship(food, shelter, maintenance) for sure and that is exactly the next step after you have the infrastructure and you put a plan in place. I guess you want to see the blueprint upfront pelelapa before you buy into anything.
This acadamy thing is a distraction - Burrell needs to go.
Vote him out - no confidence!!!
Change the By laws to give the other parish fa more oversight and vote out Burrell. Burrell has outlasted his effectiveness and has nothing else to offer.
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What system are you talking about? I am lost. Please state exactly where the money should go.
The operation will need sponsorship(food, shelter, maintenance) for sure and that is exactly the next step after you have the infrastructure and you put a plan in place. I guess you want to see the blueprint upfront pelelapa befroe you buy into anything.
I don't necessarily need to see the blueprint before buying into it, it just have to at least make some sense.
You said the operation would need sponsorship (food, shelter, maintenance). That is my point exactly. Now where is the JFF going to get that from on a consistent basis? You said some big club from Europe or food donation or something like that. Really? Would you really build an academy in Jamaica relying on donations for survival?
So after the hoopla of the opening day ceremony wears off and the vendors go back to running their business on a for profit basis how does the academy survive the other 364 days of that first year?
This is not a community facility so I doubt the Jamaican public would approve of their tax dollars funding such an exclusive facility, therefore it all falls back on the JFF. And must I remind you that the JFF is broke as we speak...So it no only logical that they will be broker, that's a word, when them take it pon themself fi mind, train, house and school pickneys?
Unless the funds come from FIFA specifically designated for running the facility any other source of funds should be put to better use. And even with a specific designation from FIFA I would still do my best to divert the funds. FIFA would have to come down to Jamaica themself and cut a check for each expense to stop me from diverting the funds. Mi must know what is best for my programme and the sequence it needs to take to accomplish the objective.
Would you accept the V12 Benz I spoke of earlier as a gift if you don't have the funds fi pay di gas, taxes or insurance pon it? If you affi tek the car wouldn't you try sell it and use the money to buy a Lada and finance your other life goals which will put you on the path to be able to afford the V12 Benz in the future, if you so choose? Same thing mi ah seh the JFF fi do.
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Originally Posted By: jamatl
Jt,
Does it matter if it is JFF, UWI, Burrell, Reid, KSAFA, FIFA project as long as it gets completed properly, objectively and thoroughly.
You got to understand that jt's only objective is to tak shots at Burrell, that he cant see the big picture. As you stated, it does not matter as long as it gets completed properly, objectively and thoroughly.
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Originally Posted By: pelepapa
.....Unless the funds come from FIFA specifically designated for running the facility any other source of funds should be put to better use. And even with a specific designation from FIFA I would still do my best to divert the funds. FIFA would have to come down to Jamaica themself and cut a check for each expense to stop me from diverting the funds. Mi must know what is best for my programme and the sequence it needs to take to accomplish the objective.
Would you accept the V12 Benz I spoke of earlier as a gift if you don't have the funds fi pay di gas, taxes or insurance pon it? If you affi tek the car wouldn't you try sell it and use the money to buy a Lada and finance your other life goals which will put you on the path to be able to afford the V12 Benz in the future, if you so choose? Same thing mi ah seh the JFF fi do.
Pelepapa,
Now, I see your point, we need to address the maintenance cost for such a facility.
1. UWI is a partner so since their students will be studying at the facilites, they would handle some of the cost.
2. I would not expect any miracles the first 36 months of operation but hopefully our next KIT sponsor would be interest in naming the facility and Brand Jamaica.
3. The Goal Academy is nothing new to FIFA, so hopefully FIFA can outline ways to maintain the academy.
Pelapapa you still did tell not me about the system you been writing about. How do you think most academy survive? They are suuported by affiliation, sponsorship from a big kit company, FIFA annual donation and local business. This is where Burrell will of to go to work to make everything a success. I think Real Madrid was helping to set up an academy out west who knows maybe they will sponsor the JFF also. Burrell can supply fresh patty and bulla cake daily.lol Let us build the thing and worry about the next step later.
That is the only thing that makes sense to me and that's exactly what I would do with the funds.
The only problem is I don't trust Burrell to spend it on shoring up anything but his image. That appears to be his only motivation as far as the reggaeboyz are concern.
Remember seh he has an image boosting tour of South Africa to pay for.
Well mi affi speak up fi mi bredrin mi know im nuh so selfish
Mi know seh im woulda shore up Ms Oui's image to
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Pelapapa you still did tell not me about the system you been writing about. How do you think most academy survive? They are suuported by affiliation, sponsorship from a big kit company, FIFA annual donation and local business. This is where Burrell will of to go to work to make everything a success. I think Real Madrid was helping to set up an academy out west who knows maybe they will sponsor the JFF also. Burrell can supply fresh patty and bulla cake daily.lol Let us build the thing and worry about the next step later.
Mi no want fi start another long conversation pon another topic. Systems can mean different things to different people and you know mine is going to be controversial to most. But no matter how people define systems the reality is that there is none in place to support an academy, especially one catering to kids.
Patty and Bulla are not necessarily the foods of champions. And I bet you Burrell nah supply them for free. If Burrell wouldn't do it I hope you are not counting on outsiders doing it.
You can't build an academy on maybe after you build it this or that organization would sponsor you. These things are suppose to be an integral part of whether it is worth building or not. I know you don't really have insight into the inner working of the plans and there might be some behind the scene deals you are unaware of, but history tells us that Burrell is not good at keeping secrets so we woulda know if there was.
Yes jray and carter, dont you guys see this discussion is too big fi unuh... come on....
Jray, carter couldn't handle it. And Jamatl is hiding from the truth. But you have a go at explaining what is happening and how it will pan out...
Jamatl finally admitted that in a round about way... UWI is a partner... Not quite the way I would put it. In business partners normally have equal share. The term shareholder should make it more to the point. The major shareholder is the UWI. They are paying most of the monies. It is their land. Their facilities. They have labelled it a centre of Excellence. They will have to attract students to pay for courses that will in turn pay for the facilities.
Mi nuh know where carter is going with this sponsorship idea?? A typical JFF response. Throw in a few stylish words and hope the forum will bu into it. U must have read that piece on Bolt and thought businesses are lining up to sponsor anything Jamaican.
Carter, the brainbox... At the top end of this thread I did give an indication of what I believe a football academy should be. But for the enlightenment of all why dont you put forward what your vision of a football academy should be....
What the JFF has is a free ride on the UWI train who have worked on constructing a sports centre of excellence.
Carter and Jray it is called a sports centre of excellence bcoz it is not just about football. They have tennis courts and cricket pitches. What use are courts and cricket pitches to a football academy?? Thus it must be clear to see that your saviour has committed another master stroke and gained the use of some top class facilities namely UWI's Centre of Excellence by means of some shrewed negotiations to create a calloboration that is of great benefit and service to the JFF and football but could become a dis-service to the Jamaican public and the reggaeboys fan.
Jamatl is a big fan of not only Jamaican Football but football in general. But to say as long as it gets completed properly, objectively and thoroughly it doesn't matter presents a flippant regard to the same futures and welfares of the youngsters some of you claim you care about.
Which was my first point at the top of the thread. The academy should not serve the youth but the youth serving the academy. The UWI has developed their centre of excellence to serve their clientel, but a football academy I thought was to set up a bunch of robots basically. They all serve the academy by adopting its phylosophy and hopefully all excels unlike at university where U excel according to your efforts or finances.
Rushing thru an effort just to say you gave an academy plus, coaching courses, referee training is simple electioneering self serving and not in the interest of Football development.
Plus Burrell was never interested in football development nor the youth.
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Just build it.. We will worry bout management after.
U sound like the same fool pelepapa described. Buy expensive car and put outside yu zinc house and nuh realise joe grind gawn wid yu girl also.
The frightening ting is that a lot of Jamaicans think like you. Your plans for management after is to beg sponsorship/free money.
likkle beggy beggy bwoy..
Here's a vegas tune fi yu... Carter love beg, Carter love beg. Everyday of his life Carter love beg.. Whether Carter wake up in the morning or he lay his head to rest, everyday of his life Carter love beg.
Mi say di bwoy beg straight. Him will beg til him hate. By begging is how carter create. In a begging carter have faith.
Mi say
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JT,
I like your explanation of the Centre of Excellence basically what Beijing created for UWI was a new potential review stream of students worldwide who wanted to study the Jamaican sporting machine. There is also a benefit of putting our young men and women (17-23 year olds) around the best sports science personnel available on a almost daily basis.
Ironically, I just read an article about Miami FC(owned by wealthy Traffic Sports) and their coach mentioned that his professional team did not have access to a sport medicine staff and facility near the training pitch.
Now, we can understand the need for the academy/center of excellence.
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And yes, the Captain is not interested in youth development(5-16 year olds), if there is no $$$ to be gain. Remember, he is a business man, first.
your last line jamatl describing the captain as a business man first is exactly why I dont think the captain is the man for the job.
Not that Jamaica doesn't or couldn't benefit from having a business man as the head of the JFF, but you need a businessman who understands this type of business which in effect is a bit more unique than selling bulla and bread. Anyone can set up and run an island grill. Island grill is effectively a more posh and professional set up to the jerk chicken man wid him bbq drum.
But it is quite clear that Mr. Burrell does not understand the sports industry of which I am sure most of us would and are willing to forgive him and be understanding but Burrell becomes protective and defensive when help is offered. This was proved a long time ago when the forum wanted to help and when Princess set up a reception for the reggaeboys..
It is obvious to me that Mr. Burrell is protective and defensive over his position as the top man. It must be a lonely and scary world up there. He is more concerned with his profile and standing. I feel his judgement has continually displayed wrong and flawed decision making as the results also prove.
Puma has made money from the concept of Jamaica. UWI intends to benefit from the concept of sport, youth and opportunity. The JFF's only concept and phylosophy is Burrell. Burrell is concerned about himself and his development not football development. He will continue to take us down the wrong path becoz sponge bob carter and patrick jray and other cartoons like them nuh want to open their eyes and continue to support the disservice to football and the youth.
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And yes, the Captain is not interested in youth development(5-16 year olds), if there is no $$$ to be gain. Remember, he is a business man, first.
he should realize that there is some money to be gained depending on how they set up this centre of excellence or whatever it is... assuming we take the top 40 or so elite players available (the majority of them should already be youth players at harbour view or something) and ship them to europe to play in the milk cup or something some of them will impress scouts, transfer and sign contracts
the receiving club would then have to pay a development fee and a separate transfer fee to the club... now the jff should already have a system in place to take some percentage of the transfer fee to do whatever with
besides later on down the line the academy graduates would make a large percentage of players in the dpl and portions of any of their transfers abroad would go to the jff as well
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It is abundantly clear that JA. Foot ball needs a new direction. a building dosent make you wise. we cant move forward with the same b-----t way of doing things.
jt- is a real clown. I am waiting for you to state the other option to what Burrell is doing.
Can someone explain to me why the JFF would develop young players and not partake in the profit from a transfer? The JFF already get 10% from transfer from DPL teams. I would think having the academy and developing youth players could be a viable long term income stream for the JFF.
Yes Carter... You are always waiting for someone to state other options.. Why dont you state your option and stop follow Burrell.
Of course its sensible to want a cut or share of the spoils carter, but from your outbursts and closeness to senor Burrell I have just assumed I was correct on another point. The captain wanted the Academy in Portmore for obvious reasons.
The captain who was never concerned about youth development is suddenly interested. Now we see its bcoz he see's a hustle. He is suddenly not telling us to go jump in the sea coz he realises with selling players and linking contracts to team invitations he gets a cut of any transfer deals. So from JFF president to Transfer agent.
This is not about developing Jamaican players. This is about controlling Jamaican transfers. This is not about building infrastructure for Jamaican football. This is about using other people establishments to forward his own agenda's like all other parasites in Jamaica. **** hell, will they ever stop bleeding Jamaica...
There are a lot of other things that bring income to the JFF but bcoz he is just about taking rather than giving, its no wonder development is a bad word. Jack Warner would at least give us something back. Not just keep bleeding the system. ***** vampire... kissteet...
For all them "cant think for themselves" jamaicans. What Burrell is doing is exactly what you guys do. Hang on and take advantage of other pepes ideas and try and mek something in the process. Maybe senor Burrell could jump on this as well and make a second football academy or even a third when someone else invests in improving facilities at the trelawny complex.
The University of Technology (UTech) has opened a faculty of sports and science, cementing a new thrust started in 2008, which is aimed at heightening the application of scientific principles to sportsmanship and the development of sports locally.
Head of the new faculty is Dr Colin Gyles.
Details of the offerings of the new faculty will be made available in late September, said UTech communications manager Michelle Beckford.
In the meantime, the university has not denied that it will be a big player in the operations of the mega sports complex planned by the Urban Development Corporation (UDC) for the Caymanas Estate lands in St Catherine.
The UTech has also expressed interest in the Trelawny Multi-Purpose Stadium, an application for which is still before Government for consideration.
Sports programmes
Sports programmes already offered by the university include a bachelor of science in the art and science of coaching, as well as a master of science in physical education and sports, offered in collaboration with G.C. Foster College.
The UTech is also home of MVP track and field club headed by coach Steven Francis, which has produced several gold-medal-winning athletes and Olympians.
The proposed UTech facilities in Caymanas, to occupy a total 29 hectares or 79 acres, will include buildings for a faculty of sports featuring four large lecture rooms with capacity for 50 persons, a lecture theatre with capacity for 300 persons, office space for 20 administrative staff and 18 coaches, and a boarding facility with rooms for 200.
Lecture and boarding facilities will adjoin a multi-purpose sports complex including swimming and diving pools, tennis courts, football fields, running tracks, cricket fields, hockey fields, indoor squash courts, netball courts, basketball courts, volleyball courts, and a multi-purpose building for indoor sports, which will facilitate all indoor sports and include six badminton courts, table tennis, martial arts, two boxing rings and seating for 1,500 persons.
Tennis courts will include two practice courts, two game courts, and four designated for competitions, with seating for 500 persons.
The football fields will include one match field and two practice fields, with seating for 2,000 persons.
Four hundred metres of running tracks in the mega sports complex will feature an all-weather track, two grass tracks and seating for 1,000 persons.
Cricket fields will also have seating for 1,000, hockey for 500 spectators, and two indoor courts.
The indoor squash courts are planned to include two practice courts, two competition courts and two courts for doubles. Seating will be provided for 500.
Netball courts should feature two practice courts, three basketball courts and four indoor-competition courts.
The mega sports complex is also planned to include a medical facility offering physiotherapy, dental, orthopaedic and optical care.
General facilities for the mega complex will include changing rooms, storage security and a maintenance workshop for electrical, mechanical, carpentry, welding, changing rooms, rollers for the cricket pitch and rooms for administrative staff, plus parking for 2,000 vehicles.
The complex will serve for training, sports events and use by the Caymanas community.
According to Joy Douglas, general manager of the UDC, construction of the facility is scheduled in two to three years and currently, no indicative costs for construction were available.
"The reason is this is a highly specialised facility and the first of its kind in Jamaica," said Douglas.
"We have, therefore, had to seek foreign technical assistance with the design and feasibility analysis."
The technical assistance requested is expected to be made available this fiscal year, Douglas said.
Financing the project
As for financing of the project, "There will be several options explored for the financing of the project that will include private investment, as well as possible bilateral funding," she said.
"The UDC will be coordinating this aspect."
The UDC plan indicates that the mega sports facility is intended to tie together all recreational sporting elements within the near 11,000-acre Caymanas development, which will include the Caymanas Golf and Country Club and expanded Kingston Polo club.
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And I bet you Burrell nah supply them for free. If Burrell wouldn't do it I hope you are not counting on outsiders doing it.
