I use to think Goodison should have retired, but then when he was performing better than Shavar, Marshall, Claude and Stew Peas in qualifiers there is absolutely no reson that he should have retired.
Truth u a talk...Agree to disagree But Jaap Stam was one of the TOP defenders in the world. Ive supported Goodison throughout his career but he never had that type of potential to me, i have never seen him as being good enough for the top tier of english football. Thats jus my opinion :)but i respect yours
Truth u a talk...Agree to disagree But Jaap Stam was one of the TOP defenders in the world. Ive supported Goodison throughout his career but he never had that type of potential to me, i have never seen him as being good enough for the top tier of english football. Thats jus my opinion :)but i respect yours
Complete respect is the order of the the mi bredren.
My opinion in comparing him to Japp Staam may be misguided but not biased for personal reasons. I guess my ratings for Jaap Staam went down a bit when I saw Louis Saha leave him standing in a match playing against Fulham after which Sir Alex bought Saha and Jaap Staam fell out with Sir Alex and got sold to Milan but I will agree, he was highly rated in most football circles.
My point is that Goodison has gotten his ratings playing at his level from neutral observors as well and not just his supporters playing for the Reggae Boyz.
We all know that his career has been hampered by a couple of personal incidents and if he was to move up to a higher level, which I felt he had the potential to, it would have been in 2006 when a bike accident derailed his career in England for a while.
No disrespect to 'Bigga' Thompson and hopefully he will follow in Goodison's footsteps and establish himself, both for Jamaica and some noteworthy club here in England if the opportunity comes his way.
Remember, Pepe, Bibi and Onandi Lowe were the pioneers for Jamaican players getting contracts in England 10 years ago and the football fans up in the Northwest region here, which includes Liverpool are some of the most knowledgeable in the country so he must have something for them to rate and love him so and these are not just Tranmere fans we are talking about.
As dem sey, new broom sweep clean but old broom know the corners so there is no reason to disrespect Pepe as a balla for the sake of Bigga because I know all a dem yute look up to him, as Stew Peas not fraid to express more time.
i hear you. Stam was sold to Lazio (jus a lil correction) and then joined Milan after. But back on topic.Comparing him to Stam in terms of playing style i guess fits but in ability i dont think Goodison ever displayed the potential required to reach the level Stam did. Maybe if the injuries didnt hamper Pepe he could of made it to a bottom half to mid table side. We will never kno now.
He is definately a pioneer for Jamaican football and shud be remembered for all he has done. But i definately think its time we look to the future. Goodisons time should end now.
i hear you. Stam was sold to Lazio (jus a lil correction) and then joined Milan after. But back on topic.Comparing him to Stam in terms of playing style i guess fits but in ability i dont think Goodison ever displayed the potential required to reach the level Stam did. Maybe if the injuries didnt hamper Pepe he could of made it to a bottom half to mid table side. We will never kno now.
He is definately a pioneer for Jamaican football and shud be remembered for all he has done. But i definately think its time we look to the future. Goodisons time should end now.
Without a doubt, I totally agree with you there.
That entire generation is getting a bit long in the tooth for international football and as 'Granny' Marshall indicates, he will quit on his own terms and not wait to be pushed.
I'm hoping that Pepe takes the same approach and walks away on his own terms with his reputation and achievements intact.
I believe that he has earned at least that much although for some people, the jury will always be out on Ian Goodison.
It will be interesting to see what 'the powers that be' have in store for the Jamaica-Ecuador match and if there are any local 'diamonds in the rough' they should be on display there.
You are totoally right in that it is now time for Jamaica to move into the new era of revamping their team for the future.
Well, it seems that Barnsley is looking at Thompson. But, I will reiterate my position that he is not close to Pepe. Pepe might not have made it to the EPL, or even the Championship, but he is still more accomplished as a central defender than Bigga. His positioning, tackling, air sense and leadership qualities are excellent. No, he is not Stam, who was a great defender, but Tappa has been as good a defender as Jamaica has produced. Tappa might not have had foot speed, but he worked on his game and developed it, given the poor quality of the Jamaican league football from whence he came.
"Distributor careful, If Pepe was miles ahead a bigga him would have been in the prem by now. Omar Daley a my yute still and should at least be playing in the championship but he a huge underachiever. btw, whats the ave pay like in league 2 about 2G-3G a week." [Morefire]
Morefire, I think that you are a Tappa fan, and how would you answer the question of why Tappa did not make it to the top division? Overrated, you think? Daley had much attention from Championship and League 1 clubs last season, until he ripped up his knee. He still made the divisional team, even though his season was cut short. And Notts County is newly rich, which is why I speculated that they will pay more than League Two teams. That is why Sven has been hired.
Reds run rule over O'Neil Date: 01 August 2009 By Neil Goulding
BARNSLEY will take a look at Jamaican international O'Neil Thompson in this afternoon's clash with Manchester City at Oakwell.
The 25-year-old midfielder is an international colleague of reds' winger Jamal Campbell-Ryce and comes "highly recommended," said Reds' boss Simon Davey.
He has been with Norwegian club Notodden FK and recently played for his country in the CONCACAF Cup.
According to Barnsley manager, Simon Davey:
"O'neil Thompson did very well. We brought him in as a centre back, but he can also play in the midfield and we had to throw him in there today. It was the toughest trial that you could ever have and it really was sink or swim. I thought he swam today. He has only trained once with us and he will stay until Thursday. We will make a decision over the next five days or so."
Kolo Toure hobbled out of his Manchester City debut after an hour as Mark Hughes' side played out an entertaining 1-1 draw at Barnsley.
City enjoyed long periods of dominance but substitute Daniel Bogdanovic was allowed room chase down a long ball and fire past Shay Given with seven minutes remaining, before Martin Petrov grabbed an 88th minute equaliser.
Toure was withdrawn following a tangle defending a Barnsley corner, but didn't appear to be in great discomfort as he departed down the tunnel.
The visitors started brightly and Tykes full-back Bobby Hassell headed Emmanuel Adebayor's header off the line from Shaun Wright-Phillips' corner after 10 minutes.
In the 16th minute, Barnsley striker Jon Macken failed to punish his former club when he met Martin Devaney's cross, only to head over from six yards.
After 22 minutes Luke Steele completed a fantastic double save to keep the game level, first pawing away a Craig Bellamy effort from the left-hand side of the area, then responding to deny Adebayor's follow-up from close range.
City continued to enjoy the lion's share of possession but Barnsley midfielder Jacob Butterfield gave the visitors a couple of nervous moments before the break
The 19-year-old forced Given into save of the half after 39 minutes and rattled the Irishman's crossbar three minutes before the break. Jamal Campbell-Ryce was first to the loose ball and curled his shot narrowly wide.
A lively start to the second half saw Adebayor spur a golden opportunity, shooting tamely at Steele following a surging run from substitute Pablo Zabaleta.
Immediately Barnsley broke to the other end of the field and Macken failed to capitalise on an embarrassing slip from Toure.
After 52 minutes Robinho scooped immaculately over the Tykes back line and Adebayor lifted an effort onto Steele's crossbar, before somehow failing to convert the rebound with the goal at his mercy.
Two minutes later the home side's crossbar was again tested, this time by a rasping Robinho drive following Zabaleta's cut back.
In the 74th minute City broke from a Barnsley corner and Adebayor played Bellamy through on goal, only for his strike partner to waste a glorious chance and fire into the side netting.
Bellamy almost made amends three minutes later, arrowing a free-kick towards the top corner for Steele to scramble behind. Zabaleta then crossed a cleverly worked short corner for Micah Richards to fire over.
Bogdanovic sent Oakwell into raptures shortly after, but Simon Davey's men could not hang on when Stephen Ireland engineered space in the penalty area, crossing for Petrov to finish from close range.
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But JT u no easy, how come wi gone from Bigga Thompson discussion to Kolo Toure? a true u a moderator? A wha dis?
Distributor, u have me confused boss. who r we talking about here. is it Tappa, Pepe, Bigga Thompson or Omar Daley? I'm really a fan of Bibi Gardner and Omar Daley. been watching those 2 since their were teenagers. Really thought Daley had the Potential to one day play in the EPL dont know what happen with him maybe the Crazy tackles he makes sometimes like Rudi Austin.
As far as comparing Pepe to Bigga's. I respect Pepe's Game, he's a solid Def that's been around long time thats all. Goal keepers and central defenders tend to have the longest Careers I dont see no major talent gap bet Pepe and Bigga.. if there was I don't think Bigga would be getting a look from Barnsley. IMO.
Hi guys and girls, a Barnsley supporter here. Thompson had a really good game against Man City, he played the full game as a defensive midfielder and I feel he will have done enough to earn a contract. With him, Jamal Campbell-Ryce and Darren Moore can we be honorary ReggaeBoyz? JCR is a very good player for us but he was hardly played in the CONCACAF - was there any reasons for that? Finally hello from Barnsley - the weather is miserable so can I come and stay in Jamaica?
But JT u no easy, how come wi gone from Bigga Thompson discussion to Kolo Toure? a true u a moderator? A wha dis?
Distributor, u have me confused boss. who r we talking about here. is it Tappa, Pepe, Bigga Thompson or Omar Daley? I'm really a fan of Bibi Gardner and Omar Daley. been watching those 2 since their were teenagers. Really thought Daley had the Potential to one day play in the EPL dont know what happen with him maybe the Crazy tackles he makes sometimes like Rudi Austin.
As far as comparing Pepe to Bigga's. I respect Pepe's Game, he's a solid Def that's been around long time thats all. Goal keepers and central defenders tend to have the longest Careers I dont see no major talent gap bet Pepe and Bigga.. if there was I don't think Bigga would be getting a look from Barnsley. IMO.
Morefire
Maximum respect. Where I believe differences of opinion and perception lies between all the ites who have offered comments on the original debate beween yourself and another ites ( I can't see the original post to which I responded to say who it is right now) lies in both players performances for Jamaica and recently, not just a history of their international careers, where Pepe has the distinct advantage of having played many more years for Jamaica than Bigga has.
Where I judged both players was in playing in CONCACAF international ball where the skills of being able to play the ball to feet on the ground is a hallmark of our game and also mobility to link up with other skillful players in that style of play.
Both players are admirably suited for the English club game with height, strength and physical presence but I've seen Bigga look quite out of place playing for Jamaica; his performances for Jamaica recently in the GC was pointed out and criticised by other ites before me.
When Pepe came into the national team almost 14 yeras ago he was by no means the finished article but no one has ever seen him not look the part even then when he was not techinically as developed as he looked in the last WC qualifiers and even then, he was the lion's heart and soul of Jamaica's team at the same age that Bigga is now. None of us see another Pepe in Bigga right now but your point of the difference in talent not being that great is a very valid one and might have been misunderstood by some of us who use more than just talent to judge a player on.
It is probably on those values that we say Bigga does not yet appear to be even close playing international football. Those were my criteria for judging him.
If he has the potential to develop into the player we all hope that he will, we will all see it very soon because the 'old warhorse' will soon need to be replaced and in Bigga, we might have the perfect canidate. He has to prove that to me wearing the natioanal jersey, not just in club football.
I hope this clears up any misunderstanding in my original response to you.
O'Neil Thompson was thrown in at the deep end on Saturday as he looks to earn himself a deal at Oakwell this week.
The 25 year old Jamaican plays for Norwegian side Notodden FK and apparently comes highly recommended by international team mate and Oakwell star Jamal Campbell-Ryce.
After injuries to Anderson and Hugo Colace, the central midfield was left bare and this provided Thompson the opportunity to fill in alongside youngster Jacob Butterfield.
Davey was impressed with the tall centre back's debut. He told the club's official website: 'O'Neil did very well. We brought him in as a centre back but he can also play in midfield and we had to throw him in there today. It was the toughest trial you could ever have and it really was sink or swim. I thought he swam today.'
Barnsley's coaching staff and ultimately Simon Davey will make a decision by Thursday next week as to whether or not the club will offer Thompson a deal at Oakwell, but he certainly looked competent against a top class team.
yes morefire.. Yu haffi read between the lines... As Taurus Riley say... open up your third eye. lol.
Could find nutten on Thompson so I figured he must have did ok if this multi million dollar team with Adebayor who is good at holding up the ball and possession but cant score unless a buck up and Toure who limped off and with other top stars and couldn't damage Barnsley that much must mean Barnsley did well and as such hopefully the man that all the cats on the forum have been negative about did well also.
These cats on the forum always seem to hype a certain type of player and the clubs abroad always seem to be interested in the unhyped player.
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Big respect to JCR in recommending his Jamaican teammate. Although born in England, he has been committed to the national team since he was 20 years old. These are the type of UB40s we should pursue early commitments.
yes morefire.. Yu haffi read between the lines... As Taurus Riley say... open up your third eye. lol.
Could find nutten on Thompson so I figured he must have did ok if this multi million dollar team with Adebayor who is good at holding up the ball and possession but cant score unless a buck up and Toure who limped off and with other top stars and couldn't damage Barnsley that much must mean Barnsley did well and as such hopefully the man that all the cats on the forum have been negative about did well also.
These cats on the forum always seem to hype a certain type of player and the clubs abroad always seem to be interested in the unhyped player.
Jt, thats so very true boss. It seem that all the players dem hype up like a few that came out the US College system and were supposedly sure bets for MLS ended up USL or back in JA.
Wish Oneil Thompsom the best of luck..I think he has a good shot at making it at Barnsley. Forget the Money Cant see reason to leave from 2nd Div in Norway and go to 4th Div in England. If Barnsley no sign him he should go back to Norway and eventually he'll get picked up by one of the First Div Teams. one day, who knows he might be the man Anchoring Jamaica's Midfield in WC 2014.
All the man them that bad mouth Thompson must be hiding right now. The kid has talent and can improve since he is only 25 years old. A player should not be judge by one mistake or two.
