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#130730 - 06/08/09 07:28 AM At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable?
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I am sure a lot of Ites who have been calling for Tappa are now overjoyed at his inevitable appointment as the next coach of Jamaica.

Now the question is; Will Tappa be held at the same level of accountability as Barnes? So, now can we say with the same level of responsibility that nothing less than a semi-final berth for Jamaica is expected? Anything less, should be considered a failure for Tappa. After all, to be fair, Barnes was given the same level of expectation.

Since many are afraid to say it, CONGRATULATIONS to you Mr. Barnes!! You have served us well and you have been the best coach to lead Jamaica for years. Nice way to stamp your seal of approval by beating a team we have not beaten in over 40 years. We wish you all the best and much success!

Since Tappa is being compared at the same level of Barnes, I expect the unbeaten run to continue and nothing less than a semi-final berth in the Gold Cup. Or, are we already preparing excuses?
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#130732 - 06/08/09 07:44 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: Big Mountain]
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Mi second deh talk deh Jaro
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#130735 - 06/08/09 07:52 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: Big Mountain]
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Barnes deserves much props. One of two things though, if Barnes quit for the Trenmere spot then nuff disappointments but if burrell let him go then Burrell needs to go.

I guess it would have been difficult affording Barnes on payroll not going to the wc and all. But i think Barnes could have made a difference. He does not have much in terms of credentials but he grew up in Jamaica, understands the culture at the same time have played and was a star at the highest levels of football. He appears to have an understanding of what we lack and what we need.
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#130737 - 06/08/09 07:54 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: zilla]
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Yes to all Big Mountain...Tappa hasn´t had the time with the team. Tappa hasn´t traveled to England to see which of the overseas based players are on form so he has to guess. I´m sure you can come up with others. Now Jagga yuh see what you cause? If we put the same expectations on Whitmore and he doesn´t get us to the semis there are those (Corporate Jamaica who isn´t yet sold on him) who will be calling for his head before he ever got a real chance to be groomed for the job. If we don´t get to the semis Whitmore´s career could be over before it starts....then what?
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#130738 - 06/08/09 07:55 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: zilla]
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Mi second deh talk deh Jaro


I hear you zilla! All I can say is that this is a sad day for Jamaican football. Just when we have a coach that knows the game and understands what is necessary for success we are prepared to cut the man loose.

If the JFF had wanted Barnes to stay, they could have renewed the man contract months ago. Why wait until the last month, for you to hear, "sorry we don't need you"? I have always remained neutral in Burrell's criticism but now I have to say it's time for him to resign and go away quietly.
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#130739 - 06/08/09 07:59 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: Big Mountain]
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John Barnes:
Congrats to Johnny B not just for the unbeaten streak but moreso for the personnel changes especially in goal........Yesterday he replaced Miller and Sawyers - and still got the desired result.

Tappa Whitmore
Trust me Tappa will be dragged through the mud just like Carl Brown,Wendell WD40 and Clovis etc. Tappa has at his disposal a squad that could have very well be vying for a spot World Cup 2010. He knows most of these players like he knows his Seba players so his room for excuses will be very small. He has played at the higest level-World Cup. He has played professionally in England and Scotland so he should at least know first hand what it means to be professional. He can also relate to the overseas players when they voice their concerns and he can feel the "pain" of the local because he has walked in their collective shoes. Tappa is also at a disadvantage because he is friends with some of these very players who he will have to sometimes discipline. None of our past coaches has had that responsibility.

"Responsibility"
Will the JFF remember to pay him the same as the person he is replacing? The responsibilities of the position does not change because he lives in Norwood and not Sao Palo, Mexico City or Liverpool.........
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#130741 - 06/08/09 08:13 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: LINCOLN]
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Linc it dont look like barnes was getiin much anyway. U no see di man cld not afford to relocate. him affi deh coach from England
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#130742 - 06/08/09 08:32 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: zilla]
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 Originally Posted By: zilla
Linc it dont look like barnes was getiin much anyway. U no see di man cld not afford to relocate. him affi deh coach from England


LOL. I am not a bit surprised......

We gave Bora $US1 million
We imported Simoes and his entire family, barber,car washer, priest, ants, paid holidays etc
We paid Clovis and his traveling band of ........

WHILE
Carl Brown had to keep his job at the wharf.
Johnny B had to coach with his Digicel minutes.
Wendell WD40 had to put Kingston to Negril miles on his odometer every day.
Tappa might have to get a job at Sandals to pay for the gas to get to Kingston.

WE HAVE ONE YARD STICK TO MEASURE THE PERFORMANCE OF ALL.........EVEN THOUGH WE B-A-R-E-L-Y TAKE THE TIME TO ENSURE THAT THE MOST BASIC HUMAN NEEDS FOR SOME ARE MET....... LMAO











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#130744 - 06/08/09 08:49 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: LINCOLN]
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 Originally Posted By: LINCOLN
 Originally Posted By: zilla
Linc it dont look like barnes was getiin much anyway. U no see di man cld not afford to relocate. him affi deh coach from England


LOL. I am not a bit surprised......

We gave Bora $US1 million
We imported Simoes and his entire family, barber,car washer, priest, ants, paid holidays etc
We paid Clovis and his traveling band of ........

WHILE
Carl Brown had to keep his job at the wharf.
Johnny B had to coach with his Digicel minutes.
Wendell WD40 had to put Kingston to Negril miles on his odometer every day.
Tappa might have to get a job at Sandals to pay for the gas to get to Kingston.

YET WE HAVE ONE YARD STICK FOR ALL.........EVEN THOUGH WE B-A-R-E-L-Y TAKE CARE OF THE BASIC HUMAN NEEDS FOR SOME ....... LMAO


Linc mi a tell u. shatta need fi built a tune fi dem. Its a pity sandals dont have a hotel in Kgn
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#130747 - 06/08/09 09:20 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: zilla]
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The Captain is working with the More with less formula. With Tappa he's thinking he'll get the same coaching(results), but at a 1/8 the cost. So if it succeeds(1/4 finals of Gold Cup) he can say "Our local coaches, have benefited from working under international coaches. If it doesn't he'll say "We gave our local coaches ample opportunities to lead the program, but they continue to come up short.

Anyway you take it, its Win-Win for the Captain.
Shrewd business move.

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#130771 - 06/08/09 03:19 PM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: Lyod]
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I am here trying to wrap my brain around the decision to not extend Barnes contract until after the Gold Cup and then handing the team over to Whitmore. The JFF seem incapable to operating without some form of controversy or contention. The explanation given by Captain Burrell is insufficient in my opinion. The time reportedly being given to Whitmore to "know" the team could have been given after the Gold Cup.
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#130782 - 06/08/09 04:13 PM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: Big Mountain]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Mountain
 Originally Posted By: zilla
Mi second deh talk deh Jaro


I hear you zilla! All I can say is that this is a sad day for Jamaican football. Just when we have a coach that knows the game and understands what is necessary for success we are prepared to cut the man loose.

If the JFF had wanted Barnes to stay, they could have renewed the man contract months ago. Why wait until the last month, for you to hear, "sorry we don't need you"? I have always remained neutral in Burrell's criticism but now I have to say it's time for him to resign and go away quietly.


The sad day for JA football was a year ago. Today is just the manifestation of that sorrow. Thats why Burrell is a joker.

Those clamoring for Tappa while JB was still under contract should be ashame of themselves. JB has done nothing to deserve that and if they were really supportive of Tappa they should have stood up a year ago and let their voices be heard. Not sit around and even approve of JB's hiring and when he didn't deliver what they fantasize they turn their back on him. Truthfully speaking if I was Tappa I wouldn't be too appreciative today. I can't understand how anyone could've really expected this to turn out good. JB should've been given a longer contract, if Burrell didn't have the confidence in him to do that then he shouldn't have hired him. That one year contract was just a waste of money. It didn't accomplish absolutely nothing but continued confusion.


Edited by pelepapa (06/08/09 04:14 PM)

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#130814 - 06/09/09 02:39 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: pelepapa]
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I stated in a previous post that Tappa should be given a chance when Barnes contract was up. It should not be taken that I was unhappy with Barnes and pushing for his removal. And it certainly does not mean I am setting Tappa up for failure.

It was becoming obvious to me that the Captain would not continue to pay for a coach that was not here full time and would be sharing time with another team. That is why I pushed for Tappa to be given a shot at the job when Barnes contract expired.

I felt it was time for Tappa to be given the opportunity to fill the position for at least a year. He has paid his dues, stuck with the program sand howed that he was capable of winning with the Boyz when he got a chance.

One of the big challenges he will be faced with is the ego of Burrell who will try and dictate certain conditions Or else....we have seen it in the past.

If tappa is given a free hand to select the players in the program, he must be held accountable for those decisions. But if he is encouraged (forced) to use players based on the clubs they play for then that is another story.

If he fails so be it but at least give him a chance to succeed. Just my view on the issue


Edited by Jagga (06/09/09 02:58 AM)

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#130818 - 06/09/09 03:24 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: Jagga]
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I hope the JFF don't dis Tappa like they did Carl Brown and Lennie Hyde after they tie one hand behind dem back and force them to fail.
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#130820 - 06/09/09 03:47 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: Jagga]
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Captain denotes leadership. The ability to assess the future and map a course towards success. I don't see any of it here. What I see is a man reacting to his own mistakes.

He brought in JB with one game to go in qualifiers; recipe for 2nd guessing should JA had lost that game and the possibility to qualify. If JA had lost that game how many people would've said Ja lost by goal difference after Tappa had won the previous two?
People probably would've replaced JB's name for Simoes when talking about JA's failed campaign.

Gave JB a one year contract that expire just before or soon after GC. Didn't he expect the man to try and secure employment to feed his family? Furthermore, JB just about told everyone about his plans in his first interview after he was hired. How did unnu miss it?

Now he brings back Tappa and put him in a no-win situation. What if things don't work well for Tappa in this tournament, which could easily happen considering the mess created by the CAPTAIN?

Everything that happened the past year was unnecessary and basically a waste of time and resources, and it was all captain's doing. A captain worth his salt would have charted a difference course or jumped into the sea after such a disasterous undertaking. Not this captain, he is going to come up with a friendly soon to smooth everything over.

I wonder if ddread can find a way to factor this on a graph?

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#130823 - 06/09/09 04:54 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: Big Mountain]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Mountain
I am sure a lot of Ites who have been calling for Tappa are now overjoyed at his inevitable appointment as the next coach of Jamaica.

Now the question is; Will Tappa be held at the same level of accountability as Barnes? So, now can we say with the same level of responsibility that nothing less than a semi-final berth for Jamaica is expected? Anything less, should be considered a failure for Tappa. After all, to be fair, Barnes was given the same level of expectation.

Since many are afraid to say it, CONGRATULATIONS to you Mr. Barnes!! You have served us well and you have been the best coach to lead Jamaica for years. Nice way to stamp your seal of approval by beating a team we have not beaten in over 40 years. We wish you all the best and much success!

Since Tappa is being compared at the same level of Barnes, I expect the unbeaten run to continue and nothing less than a semi-final berth in the Gold Cup. Or, are we already preparing excuses?


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#130836 - 06/09/09 07:16 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: pelepapa]
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 Originally Posted By: pelepapa

Now he brings back Tappa and put him in a no-win situation. What if things don't work well for Tappa in this tournament, which could easily happen considering the mess created by the CAPTAIN?


PP - I wouldn't say this is a no-win situation. Tappa was put in the same situation before just after the departure of Simoes and he came out clean. This is the main/sole reason why people are calling for him to take the reins based on these results. That being said, anything less than a semi-final performance should be considered a failure since he was put in the same situation before and got positive results. The bar should not be lowered given similar circumstances. And, if there is a possibility that Burrell will easily manipulate Tappa, then that makes the case even weaker.

My beef is the gross disrespect shown to Barnes by the JFF. Hired the man at less than 30% of Simoes salary, then cut his salary in the middle of the night; refuse to pay his relocation and then release him just before a major tournament. All this to a coach that had the best coaching record in Jamaica for years.

Maybe the corporate sponsors should demand transparency for their funds. Somehow, I was under the impression that they were paying Barnes salary. What will be Burrell's excuse for JB, in trying to sell them Tappa?
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#130846 - 06/09/09 09:11 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: Big Mountain]
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The funny thing is that the bar is already lowered. If Tappa loses every game i still can't blame him - no one can.

I was hoping to win the Gold Cup under Barnes, even looking forward to going to a few of the games. Now, i am back to maybe coming here to read the crap.
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#130852 - 06/09/09 10:36 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: LINCOLN]
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"Responsibility"
Will the JFF remember to pay him the same as the person he is replacing? The responsibilities of the position does not change because he lives in Norwood and not Sao Palo, Mexico City or Liverpool.........
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Yu notice that a certain mental pre-disposed slavery mentality does not allow sight of this angle. But wi a shapen knife fe cannibalize Tappa.


BM is a medical term get some toilet paper you are stinking up de RBZ.




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#130855 - 06/09/09 11:22 AM Re: At What Level will Tappa be Held Accountable? [Re: Xy]
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Humans, as well as some other organisms, can have a chromosomal arrangement that is contrary to their phenotypic sex, that is, XX males or XY females.

This proves that you are an abnormal female! Go take your medication! I bet you are being spoon fed!

XY - I know you are famous for your feminine outburst! However, you will just be ignored! Don't take it personal!
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