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#11113 - 04/10/02 12:08 PM
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Child Development, Gifted Child.............
This is an intiguing subject caus to the average shrink, childhood is the nest, the nursery for adulthood.
Children are more than a handful with no care in the world and nuff time on their hands to think up pranks to play.
With their brains developing at a tremendous rate while for many adults their brain cells are draining, due to lack of use, children find their parents sitting Ducks for mind games.
No wonder psychologists call these little Ducklings, Master Psychologists.
In my years of research I like others have found that treating each child as an individual is paramount in helping them in
their development. Nuff problems stem from lack of recognizing their uniqueness and then the criticism comes:
- He is slow
- He does not pay attention
- He plays too much
- He sleeps in class
- He talks back
- He will never learn
- We have tried everything
- He is always late
So the bad news after all this analysis by lazy don’t care too much well intentioned teachers, who incidentally may even garner a few Teacha-a-di-year awards, the kid is put on Ritalin or placed in Special Ed.
But along comes a teacha worth her salt and realize di bwoy have nuff potential, actually, bursting with promise.
So si works on him, with him, with di parents and granny, takes out a library card for him, stays back after school and helps him and in 3 semesters the “Neva Cum to Anything Good” fella tops his class and
goes on to become a high powered civil rights attorney or brain surgeon specializing in geriatrics medicine where he can look inside the heads of some of those who sold im down di river.
U see it takes someone with deep courage to find a diamond in the rough and willing to spend time to bring it to market.
One has to be patient and realize each child is different and while all the other kids learn to play “Doh Ray Me” in the first sitting, Johnny Too Bad will need some time.
But he has other skills, etc.
He never forgets a face.
He writes well.
He is kind.
He excels on the soccer field.
In fact he may be the best goalkeeper or top scorer in his school league.
He is warm and friendly and loved by the other students.
Would U give Johnny a try or pass him by?
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#11114 - 04/10/02 01:44 PM
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Guidence not sure where this has come from but it is really interesting to read.
I am training as a Primary school teacher and am currently writing my analysis of a recent placement. I had a child who fits into the 'unique' category that you have described.
Would you mind if i quoted ('translated' into standard English) some of this post as it would really fit well into my work.
Cat >^..^<
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#11115 - 04/10/02 02:14 PM
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Sure cat
It came to me afta seeing about 300 posts in recent weeks on one of our gifted children, my "years of experience with kids" and u could add neurosurgeon Ben Carson's story too. In fact I should have named it "Problem Child/Gifted Child".
Cat all the best in yur career.
Not many young people in these "nuff patience required" careers.
Oh I forgot to mention that the hi-powered civil rights lawyer also helped many of the retired teachers who dissed him, in recovering their pensions ripped off in an enronlike scenario.
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#11116 - 04/10/02 02:34 PM
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Very few teachers these days go beyond the call of duty. It takes a special person to see past a youth's idiosyncracies and to love them no matter what. The teacher can actually amke the difference between a kid experiencing success or failure. I just had some dealings wid a student who is a gangster and I was about to throw him out of school till I did some checking into his home life. Some of these youths are suffering big time with nobody to help them.
Give Johnny a chance.
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#11117 - 04/11/02 10:21 AM
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B I heard about a program with an afrocentric theme developed by an educator in Chicago that helps young ones in their quest for an education.
They place a strong emphasis on the students becoming aware of their heritage and incorporate the entire school in the process shunning the piecemeal approach. They claim successes with all colors of the rainbow.
They also take the kids on trips to Africa, many from homes with challenged incomes.
Contact info if u interested; nutten now caus I had the tel# and lost it, but if so let me know and a try.
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#11118 - 04/11/02 03:32 PM
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I am interested.
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#11119 - 04/15/02 10:03 AM
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B, here goes
The program is actually based in Saginaw School District in Michigan.
mailto:lwatson@spsd.net
http://www.saginaw-city.k12.mi.us/
989-759-2211
Bless
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#11120 - 04/15/02 10:58 AM
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Thanks mi Bredda, I will check it out.
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#11121 - 04/15/02 05:06 PM
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Nice to see this post Guidance.
At first I thought it was the Nandi Lowe dicscussion taken to another level. 
This topic is very dear and close to me.
Dealing with Johnny can be very rewarding. Yet, honestly, my experience with him, daily, is mostly frustrating, and most of it is not his fault.
Johnny comes to class with many social problems.
An apparent lack of interest in learning.
Very poor basic skills.
Little parental involvement
His hormones more influenced by Juana's smile or other charms than classwork
30-35 other Johnnies and Juanas in the same room....
Johnny has little access to good after-school programs, because he is poor....
Johnny is expected to fail so he does.
If Johnny's parents don't show up for Parent/Teacher's Night the prevailing attitude is "what can you expect from Johnny if his parents don't care".
It is confirmed later that his parents/mom works two or three jobs and is at work or just too tired to attend.
If Johnny really needs 'special' help, he rarely gets it. With the attack on Special Ed. programs in N.Y. today, the more developmentally needy Jophnny is mainstreamed with regular-ed kids where he is destined to fail.
Unfortunately it is the rare teacher with the time and interest in Johnny, who will go to school early and stay late afterwards so that Johnny can get the individualized help that he needs.
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#11122 - 04/15/02 05:08 PM
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Jah B
Where do you teach/work?
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#11123 - 04/15/02 05:23 PM
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Guidance
There seems to be a tremendous growth of kids with developmental disabilities over the last 10-15 years.
Some specialists say that the rate has not really changed, but instead it is that doctors are now better able to diagnose and identify the problems with kids earlier.
What do you think?
I think both are true. What light does this shed on the Ritalin debate? I agree that it is over prescribed where behavioral techniques may be bbetter employed. But I also think that the criticism goes overboard?
[This message has been edited by rasputin (edited 04-15-2002).]
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#11124 - 04/15/02 05:32 PM
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Power to you Guidance!
Teacher expectations do matter! If a teacher expects poor behaviour and low quality work thats exactly what children will produce!
Ever drive past a road construction site and see the workmen resting on their shovels? Well many school children are doing just that in school, resting on their shovels. They don't want to be in school, they don't like school, they have NO IDEA WHY THEY ARE IN SCHOOL other than mommy or daddy say ah have to go!
Ritalin is a way for teachers who are underprepared and over worked to have a class room of behaved children.
do you know that chemically, Ritalin is so similiar to cocaine that many hard cocaine users have a great time telling the difference between the both drugs? In fact Ritalin acts on the same neeurotransmitters in the same way in the same part of the brain as cocaine, that if you were to put children on cocaine it is reasonable to assume that the kids will do better? Behave better, be calmer?
Time to meet the needs of the children, time to move away from coercive teaching methods merely based on grades and make education more intrinsically based...learning for the sake of learning!
Ben Carson case is a great example of what children can accomplish when the parents care!
Peace!
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#11125 - 04/15/02 05:42 PM
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I'm a principal at a high school in Houston, Texas.
Respect Rasputin
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#11126 - 04/15/02 09:24 PM
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Yes JahB
"Ritalin is a way for teachers who are underprepared and over worked to have a class room of behaved children."
A bit harsh TT. Is there any use for Ritalin or similar drugs that might be appropriate?
What is the Ben Carson story??
References?
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#11128 - 04/16/02 09:57 PM
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Thanks for the link.
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#11129 - 04/25/02 03:46 PM
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Last week when I was in Orlando, I was surpised about a front page story in the local news paper down there.
The story was saying that Florida State needs to do something urgently to reduce the number of black kids in special education classes in Florida. Over 90 percent of the kids in special classes in this State are either black or hispanic.
While only about few black kids in the 'gifted' children classes. The gifted
children classes all have 85-90% white students. They interviewed one black girl who was the only black student in her 'gifted student' class. She felt that there are other black kids (in special class) who are/were smart enough to be in her class.
The Education board (obviously realizing that it is costing the State too much)are now trying to change the 'rules' that they presently used to determine whether a child has early developmental problems.
It is also reported that these black and hispanic kids are being branded as being 'retarted' from birth and therefore not given a fair chance. It is so bad now that the kids have started to believe that they are in fact inferior to their white counterparts.
This large percentage of black kids in special/remedial classes does not accurately depict or reflect the population ratios in some of these counties.
Even in mixed race communities/counties there are still far more black kids in special/remedial classes while most white kids are in the 'gifted' children classes.
I am just wondering if this is the same ratio right across America.
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#11130 - 04/25/02 05:41 PM
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The problem starts with the principal. In states where there are standardized tests used for accountability and/or promotion of students, principals tend to cheat. In Texas some principals put a lot of minority kids in special ed. so as to hide them from the test. There is even a waiver available from the state that says that if a student does not pass algebra 1 or some other prescribed subjects, they will not be promoted. This is the case even if the student earns 6 credits that would normally qualify them for promotion. The result of this is that since 9th graders do not take the exit level test, you are assuring yourself a better pass rate since only students that have passed algebra and english, and are consequently promoted,can take the test.
These are just tricks of the trade to make your school look better, but who are you helping or hurting. If principals put a white kid in Sped. w/o just cause, you can bet the parents will lick some legal shot. It is time for minority parents to do the same and to hold educators accountable for properly educating our children.
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