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#11090 - 04/08/02 04:28 PM
A simple question
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Shatta_Cleve
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Taken from another forum
(note this was not written by yours truly)
Rhone
Simple question requiring a simple answer...................
Mon Apr 8 11:31:57 2002
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You have a company/corporation and the employees are not abiding by the company's/corporation's rules and regulations as well as not practicing the company's values. The company/corporation has failed to reach its goals, at the end of the financial year, and the performance and behavior of these employees is said to be part of the problem. Who do you ultimately hold accountable for this failure: The employees, will do whatever they are allowed to get away with; The supervisor, who seemed unable to effectively and efficiently manage the employees; or The CEO, who knew of these problems all along but ignored them?
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#11091 - 04/08/02 05:03 PM
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rEORGANIZATION FROM TOP. AXE THE CEO, AND THE SUPERVISOR. SUP CAN'T MANAGE THE JOB AND THE CEO INCOMPETENT
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#11092 - 04/08/02 07:01 PM
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Same for the JFF... Look how long mi a call fi dis.... From b4 the last qualifying campaign.
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#11093 - 04/08/02 07:26 PM
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Any successful organisation needs good leadership. The leaders employ the right people for each position of responsibility, and they help solidfy the organisations goals and commitments. Things will always go contrary to plan, but it is the good leaders who give the direction to get back on track. Trouble is, good leaders are hard to come by!
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#11094 - 04/08/02 07:37 PM
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Jt sometimes i man wonder if de i is a yardie
or may be you live a farin too long and dont
lost touch how many tds you think is going
to run our program with the money that we have ,how much money you think is in the pogram any way you cant get 400 people fi watch a npl game some times me wonder if u guys fi real
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#11095 - 04/08/02 07:57 PM
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Most 'ites' history as supporters of the National Team cannot be tracked before November 1997.
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#11096 - 04/08/02 08:45 PM
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Skipper can you tell us how much money we have and where we got it from?
While you are at it could you tell us how much it would costs to get a good TD?
The question was asked on another forum in response to the JFF's role in Onandi's behavior.
The general consesus by yours truly and a few others was that the JFF should share in the blame of us not making it to Asia for not taking strong actions against Lowe if his conduct was so detrimental to the team.
The bottom line on the TD situation is this friend and take it as gospel
If you were contacted for a job opening that requires a major committment on your part such as uprooting your family and moving to another country etc. Would you research the position and who would you start your research with?
Now if say you start with the last TD and you heard that the federation is run by a bunch of clowns who turned down a game with Brazil to go play a D3 team(swansea) in Brazil all because they were guaranteed 70% of the gate receipts. All this while were in a tight race for Japan 2002.
Would you listen to the TD when he told you that these two incompetent idiots overturned his efforts to get Paraguay and another top South American team to JA(those teams wanted to play us) to prepare us for Mexico.
Now look at Lowe and his situation at R&D and how bad news travels fast so tell me why do you think that the stench from the JFF is any different? Do you think money is the problem here? Nah no one wants to touch us with a 10 foot pole brethrin and me nah beg dat.
Our name is mud in certain circles and the "Program" is non existent.
Money? don't let me laugh brethrin please you are killing me did any of us know about that $50,000US a month from the government before we lost it? Do any of you guys know about the million dollar television contract with Interforever from out of Miami?
What about our apparell contract?
What about the $500,000US to $750,000 grossed at the stadium for 6 home games(El Salvador and Honduras in the first round and Honduras, Trinidad, US and Mexico in the second round)
Could you tell us where the apparell contract money from UHL sport is? Brethrin money isn't our problem in fact far from it just watch the levels and you will see it
All I have to offer is the truth so here is the blue or the red pill.
Even Red Hills Man agree with me on this one as him a big businessman and isn't afraid to call it as he sees it
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#11097 - 04/08/02 09:52 PM
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But a nuh even that alone that Shatta explain, Skipper...
Read the first post... This is not about TD either....
And Brush, I expect a better argument from U... Even on this site we have foreigners that openly show there love and support for Jamaican Football... Does the fact that they didn't know about our football b4 '97, make them less of a supporter...
Your attitude also displays the disease that is epedemic in our society... Where some people think they have the right to tell others who they should vote for...PNP/JLP. Or tell others weather they can be active fans or sit pon the fence fans...
2002 now Brush... Attitudes need to change..
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#11098 - 04/08/02 11:47 PM
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Gentlemen the finanacial problems and queries surrounding football in Jamaica didn't just surface with this current administration. It has been around for as long as I can remember.
Like most 'ites' on this forum there are steps I would like to see the JFF take, e.g. I wish they would issue a portfolio on the finances of the National program. Outlining how much money is being taken in and what if any of that money is being implemented in the everyday business of football development. Shatta brought up questions regarding money that the administration received over the years, however it would be nice if you could get an insight has to how much it cost to stage an international game.
It takes a lot of money to run a successful National campaign, money that I believe the various administration just do not have. I was just watching one of the 30 minute football program (don't remember the name) and it feature a USD 120,000,000 football complex for the U.S.A national teams that is in development due to be open next year. 10% of that total would work out to around 1/2 billion JA$ (correct me if I am wrong for I'm no math genius). Now that seems like alot of money for just football in a country such as ours.
I share the same frustrations that you guys have with the seemingly stagnant posture our football is currently taking. Our failure to qualify for Japan/Korea has brought this frustration to a boil. Discipline and cohesion was more of our downfall during qualifying our quality of opponents had nothing to do with it (just my opinion).
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#11099 - 04/09/02 01:46 AM
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Brush I respect your opinion brethrin and I know that you wish the best for the program. I too was like you before I started hearing and seeing what really was taking place.
While a lot of people benchmark off the US and how much it costs them for their youth set up I say that we need not look any further than our African brothers and see how they do it.
If one should look at Mali(see African Soccer i I think last august edition) The current rise in their football started with the dream of one man who took his dreams to the Federation who predictably didn't share his LONG TERM vision so the man dug in his pocket and started his own camp and from that original team came the World U-17 semifinalist and this years African nation cup Semi-Finalists.
Now rude youth how much did that costs? You see Money isn't our problem brethrin and if you think it is then tell me how much does VISION costs? How much does a 10 year plan costs?
As a Jamaican one should know that you must be wary of someone who always cry that they have no money and never show you dem wallet.
When you are running an organisation like the JFF the cry should be "Ladies and Gentlemen after reviewing our long term goals and objectives it will costs us around $5 million US to implement them as of now we have only $500,000US and are soliciting funds for the building of a training facility"
This constant cry of being broke is a damn joke when you consider that the take from the door alone at one of those 6 big game qualifiers is around $750,000US do the math and multiply by the six games and tell me if we are really broke.
Now onto another mis information that the JFF feads to the unsuspecting public this thing about the costs of international matches. For those who don't know the fee for a reggaeboyz appearance is $100,000US
Lets use simple logic here
If we invite a team to the stadium we pay them right?
So why the hell would we pay if a team invites us to play them at their stadium? Now how much friendlies did we play at home and how much crowd did those bring in?
Who amongst us knows about the 80 million dollars four years American Airlines sponsorship deal?
Did you guys know that when we played Swansea as opposed to Brazil the reason we did it was because the JFF going rate was 70% of the gate reciepts? And when the ticket sales were going slow they sent for an injured Walter Boyd to fly to Swansea to boost ticket sales(check the archives I don't make these up)
Brethrin your heart is in the right place and I commend you but let me leave you with two incidents to show you what kind of individuals we are dealing with at the JFF.
After the youths had given blood sweat and tears for their country in the qualification leading up to France 98 the camradrie in the camp was at an all time high as everyone had sacrificed and suffered together.
The English players having seen that offered the local youths a chance to make extra pocket money in England when the squad was over there. Now remember that none of this money is coming from the JFF coffers and none of it is impacting the program.
What did the Captain do? He blocked the youths them from earning a single red cent and a couple months later dropped the amount that his slaves ooops I meant players were to get from the France payout from $45,000US to $5,000US after he had all of his friends in 5 stars hotel galivanting on the 4 million FIFA bonus.
Now what kind of duttymind, callous, grudeful, red eye individual does one have to be to do that after you and the man dem suffered through everything to make it to the big dance and all because of GREED you dash wey a chance to build onto what we had going. Did I mention that he mentioned the money part before the Croatia game?
Now you have to be as smart as a damn rock to do something like that. I mean even a kindergarden dropout would have waited until after the game to tell the man dem dat.
We never acheived that level of camradrie in our players again, coincidence? I think not
Brethrin the quarter hasn't been told and trust me this is not even the tip of the iceberg.
What keeps the program going and the JFF hold over the players is the public like me and you who could give a damn about the players as long as we are entertained and can brag pon our friends about the reggaeboyz. Who cares if the JFF offers them $10,000JA dollars a month and Tappa and company go into hiding? To hell with Tappa I want to see ball rolling and he should and the other 19 players should shut up and play ball.
But hey we are fans right and that's what fans do
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#11100 - 04/09/02 02:11 AM
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Shatta, respect mi brethen if what de man is saying is factual and truthful then we need drastic changes within our administration. I am a fan looking in from the outside, who from my knowledge of life in Jamaica knows that money does not come by easily and regularly.
Hopefully before it is too late someone with the knowledge and proof of the 'JFF incompetence and abuse,' will step forward and make the public aware of these wrongdoings (if they are in fact true). Whether it be the players ( who from your posting seems to be the ones getting abused and use)or someone within the adminstration/coaching staff.
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#11101 - 04/09/02 03:27 PM
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Shatta...do U know anything about these JFF elections soupbone mentioned last september...?????
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#11102 - 04/09/02 03:52 PM
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I knew when Burrell and company acted like they were campaigning when they went to Mandeville and dropped off some money for that FA along with playing a game there.
I didn't follow up on if they had an election and what the votes were. I have kinda given up hope on them.
BTW I hear that the Captain Bakery in the Cayman Islands is very nice, excellent business move.
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BTW where is Soup?
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