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#10546 - 03/29/02 04:21 PM
Can the new revamped team of youngsters beat the US?
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atownrudi_dup1
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Well brethrens.. i submit that they can be beaten .. the question is .. can our new boyz pull it off remember we have never Beaten the US before, i think this would be a great place to start , because they will be gunning for us .. this is a game they believe they can dominate and get a good work out from, they are suppose to some how win and bolster their confidence going into the WC.
The US is a good team of youngsters themselves and they will expect a good game from our boyz.. however i will be looking for different things from our boyz.If CBrown expects to get us in the WC of 2006 then he will have to start right-away,they way to beat the teams in this region is the same way all the other teams in the previous WC have beaten them, from Mexico to T&T , and that is to play a fast pased game .. speed speed speed... is what we are going to need .. everyone knows that we have skill.. thats not our problem...our problem is we dont have a spesefic style of play .. we play Brazilean sometimes during the game, then we play English ball sometimes, then we play bruk&shift ball sometimes .. we have no identety, we have no signeture style of our own.... we need to adopt a system which suits our style of play.. we love the Brazilean style but we are unable to play it because lack of persponel in key areas on the field.. we cannot play english ball because it way too out of date, we can play Bruk&shift but most of the ballers who are actualy starting cannot play it because their games havelong since gone past that kind of ball and most of them never learned to play Ball in JA so they simply dont know how, However if we can allow the yard Balla dem to play the yard brand of ball, which is a cross between the African athleticesim and Brazilean pure skill system.. ..but only teach them to play a a certain speed and pace
we can dominate the region.
I dont think Jamaican soccer is behind the times.. i simply think the implementation of our brand is the part of our game which is behind the rest of the world...I will visit this issue in depth more on mynext post however upcoming game is the most intresting game i will ever watch Jamaica play simply because this is the 1st time post WC98 we will see a return to what i call YARDMAN-BALL
...I am convinced as a natioon we are able to play the Brazilean system to its fullest and become a world beater with it .. because we are not bred from our youth to be inter-changed during a game or season to a different position on the field .. traditionally defenders are defenders for life and forwards are always forwards and so on .. it will not work to try to change them late in their carrears ..unlike the brazilean youths .. that get to play meny roles during their whole carrear ...so when they grow up and are asked to play a inbetween role it is not a problem to switch at such a late age,
I say play Yard ball but speed it up .. i have allot to say but i cant go on anymore...
lets see if CBrown will allow that .. or he will try to implement a Bolton system .. that would be a desaster.. peace.. out ..
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#10547 - 04/01/02 08:58 PM
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Wha happen Rudi...
I remember when a post like this would get a whole heap of replies...
I dont think a young team will beat the US...It would of been interesting to see what Carl Brown would of done this time with the same players he had the last time..
After playing Germany, its a waste of time playing Jamaica.... They probably should of tried for a USA vs All Caribbean Team..
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#10548 - 04/01/02 09:17 PM
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gigo
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c'mon jt
give the youts a chance to shine
or be outshone
a lot of good prospects just waiting to announce themselves to the world
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#10549 - 04/02/02 08:15 PM
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Rudi,
I don't think this one should be about winning. It's just a one match and who knows when the next one of this calibre will come around. To win constantly requires lots of practice and togetherness and right now with the coach not yet on the throne we don't have that.
What i'd like to see know is promise and character, and like what you said we need to indentify with a style of play and T E A M, and C O A C H I N G that works for us. Remember, right now we have nothing and a win right now will prove nothing. We need to develop, develop, develop through the youngsters.
If Carl Brown holds true i think this time around he's putting all his cards on the youngsters, and that's good for us.
I like that! Good luck to them!
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#10550 - 04/03/02 03:08 PM
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I agree. It is not an impossibility but an improbability that the Youths will beat a very seasoned US TEAM. How much training will they have going into the game as a unified team? Who will be providing this training? Are they expecting Mr. Brown after his stint at Bolton to come back with an ever increase of know-how on new training skills and techniques to lead this freshly formed team?! This game will do a few things:
1) Give them exposure
2) Add one more cap to their resume (for
future club transfers)
3) Start them on the road to working as a team (if we keep the same guys)
I agree we have our own style, having incorporated that of several other countries and added a Jamaican flavour! But there are certain things that transcend style. Basic things like utilizing the field and your teammates, following thru, making yourself available, speed/agility, utilizing all goal opportunities (too many times I hear how we shoulda did score, coulda did score but NEVER score!) and giving your all as a player.
However, a win for them would surely boost their morale!
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#10551 - 04/03/02 03:45 PM
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I dont think the us is abad team but i dont htink they are agood team either they dont have calliber players to beat jamaica at any given time i think that that will be agood test for carl brown try and accomplish something out of the us match
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#10552 - 04/03/02 04:33 PM
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zouse
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Well Smikle,
Obviously their game is bigger than calibre and skill, don't you think? Since if you draw the line the US has beaten Jamaica everytime on averages.
They've qualified for the world cup consistently.
They've recently won the gold cup.
What have you don't for me lately
Then again, if they don't have calibre and we still can't B E A T them where do you put our ratings.
Get back to your ABCs and when you can register a win over the US in FIFAs directory come back and brag about how US is not a good team.
It's seems people need some N E W sense around here.
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#10553 - 04/04/02 09:41 AM
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Well, it's not important to win or not a friendly game....I think we have to think to the future(Gold cup 2003, Germany 2006....)and youth is the future.....
Give 'em a chance!!!!!We have nothing to lose!!!
Peace
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#10554 - 04/17/02 11:20 PM
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atownrudi_dup1
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Gentlemen please tell i&i if this is a hard picture to form in your minds?
What if Jamaica win the game??
whats next?
what if we lose?
what then?
am i wrong to try to see both sides and try to understand the fallout if either were to happen?
I beleave the US will win simply because if the TEAM-WORK aspect of their game which will beat us . they ar enot better than us with skill, but they play better team ball than us ....to me that gives any team an edge in any game...
On the other hand , i would not be surprised if our Boyz..win or tie the game.. we are more than capable...its just a matter of us deciding on which style of ball we want to play .. and try to master that style and we will be fine.. peace.. i welcome any answers anyone may want to put forth.......
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#10555 - 04/18/02 12:34 PM
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Counting back to wc qualification the us know how they win their games they cant beat no team i repeat NO team outrite fair and square none.every match they play they get the edge (remember the qualifier in t&t for the 1990wc )maybe you all are baby(young)
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#10556 - 04/18/02 01:28 PM
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The US right now is a more technically sounded team than us. They recently loss 1 nil to Italy, Loss 2-1 to Ireland, and of course loss 4-0 to Germany. If that's not enough practise to beat JA who has been dormant; then the US need to withdraw fron the big dance B4 June.
Don't get me wrong here, the Boyz can pull off a win but just as Princess hinted it's a huge probability. A win isn't what the team should be focusing on; it's exposure.
As for the youths, give them a chance to display their talent. In-experience will be their demise but it's through exposure that experience is had.
Coach Brown has the hardest of the task, since the entire JA sporting fraternity will put him under a microscope. However, he may pull off some surprises and silent the critics.
As for us Forumites, lets try and be supportive of the team. I'll be driving 4 hrs. to watch the game of course in my colours.Try not to be judgemental since we're re-building for 2006.
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#10557 - 04/19/02 04:38 PM
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zouse
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Rudi,
We might just win the game!
In style too. If the level of play holds true from that last Costa Rica game then we have a good chance going in. The calibre of the side can't get any worse seeing that at least 4 key players were left out, Ricardo Gardner, Jermaine Johnson, Ricardo Fuller, Fabian Taylor, Omar Daley, Deon Burton and Micah Hyde. Let's see how much they desire Ja to once again be under the limelight.
If the US lose, so what? They might just be experimenting and went wrong? If we win what will that prove? It would be damn good, especially for the youngsters! But consistency is key. One win now and could not even qualify for world cup...yea yea yea. If we manage to win the other match too then obviously our desire and appreciation of the game is speaking for itself, also the POWER of Carl Brown!
If would be then left up to the JFF to manage this jumpstart properly for 2006.
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#10558 - 04/20/02 02:05 PM
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zouse
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...also some new guys in camp too.
Three USA-based players on holidays from college studies have also been included. They are goalkeeper Damion Bhoorasingh, defender Keveral Stewart and Cedric Chin.
Bhoorasingh and Stewart both represented Jamaica at the Under-17 level.
Seven local schoolboys, too, have been invited -- a clear emphasis on youth.
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#10559 - 04/23/02 01:09 PM
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ssmik101
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Zouse you are slow but you catching up there is major league team in jamaica that can beat the U.S team any point in time. No one can say America qualified for the big dance but there are there and there are continually going to be there Remember there is only and always two space open in CONCACAF. (learn something)I dont need to tell you who has the next one or who owns it
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#10560 - 04/24/02 02:27 PM
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zouse
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Smikle, yuh sound like bad mine a kill yuh........
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#10561 - 04/25/02 12:15 PM
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ssmik101
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how bad mind fi kill mi fassyhole yu nuh like hear di truth If di thruth hot it ago continually bun yu until yu face up to it
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#10562 - 04/25/02 02:29 PM
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zouse
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Cho Smikle man, nuh bada mek mi respond to yuh....... please, mi jus mek a post on another thread talking about the betterment on the forum...
Yuh si whey mi a sey....
Heyyow, cho,....
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#10564 - 04/25/02 03:02 PM
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Type to ten Zouse and stick to the topic being discuss.
It doesn't matter to me whether the Boyz win or lose, whaat I want to see is a positive team display. In 1994 when Simoes coach his first game against the States we lost 0-3 but I left that game believing that our football would only get better from there. Come mid May I hope that feeling comes over me again.
REGGAE BOYZ FOREVER!!!!!!
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#10565 - 04/25/02 03:22 PM
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ssmik101
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all i am trying to say is that reggaeboyz dem down but they are not out so lets give them our support
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