netherland antilles defeated grenada in their group of the digicel caribbean championships to finish first grenada 2nd and aruba 3rd so i know that netherland antilles advance to the second round but what about grenad do they go through as well or are they knocked out and how come this group only has 3 teams.
You guys can speculate all you want, what we are sure of is that simoes would not have at his disposal the best crop of players for this game because of club commitments, all these letters are just a part of his psychological tactics that he use on the JFF and the players who are gullible enough to buy into it.
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You see it to. I mentioned this awhile back, and people said this view was baseless.
This issue is bigger than King, i still think the talent is there to win without him. It's the under-handed ways Simoes does this in public to cause negative speculation. What would have been wrong if he simply stated " Currentlt we are experiencing some personal issues with Mr. King, and he will not be included in the squad for JAM/CAN, We will addresss the matter in further detail if needed" Or "Mr. King is currently experiencing some issues with his professional contract, and we(JFF) feel it is in his and our best interest to have him sort these things our then return to us, in a better mindset"
No, what Simoes did was plant the seeds of dis-trust and animosity towards King in the minds of the public, and to create the vides that ONLY HE has our best interest at heart. Head games. He does this alot.
Sad, thing is ifd King comes forward now and give a story contrary to Simoes, he will be AGAIN Branded as a Trouble maker. Kings saving grace here is, the fact that he was SUSPENDED by Boxhill, and that suspension over turned by Burrel, so to now suspend King, would give credability to Boxhill, THAT BURRELL WILL NOT STAND FOR.
Lets just Hope this has nothing to do with Discipline. And, just a not in form thing or trying other options.
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It is all over the news that is axe have nothing to do with Discipline. from what i here and the sports cast it seems he was drop for performance in the last couple of friendlies.
I personally think this is a big mistake by Simoes and if we loose to Canada i dont now what will he tell the Jamaican fans, the coach of Canada must be licking is lips right now.
I said this and a post already that Marlon King and Luton Shelton can not play together. because they both play alike, Burton is the only unique forward he can play with just about any one of the forwards that we have avilable.
So the starting forward for Jamaica vs. Canada is going to be Shelton and Burton are Shelton and Cummings. Fuller will not be called he just coming off injury.
I just hope this move by Simoes dont come back to haunt us. like how the Onandi Lowe situation mess us up the last campaign, with the drugs situation. and then Boxjuice and them friend them tell the coach nu pick the man fe the team. and to there surprised he was acquited of the wrong doing.
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BKM, this might just be Simoes sticking with the folks he know (recycling)
Pepe, Kelly, Gardner, Marshall and others.
I think we need to start strong. Unless, Simoes is going to play for a draw with a defensive minded team. Thinking, that some guys won't fit into this plan. We need at least 1 point....
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You guys can speculate all you want, what we are sure of is that simoes would not have at his disposal the best crop of players for this game because of club commitments, all these letters are just a part of his psychological tactics that he use on the JFF and the players who are gullible enough to buy into it.
Fan4life
You see it to. I mentioned this awhile back, and people said this view was baseless.
This issue is bigger than King, i still think the talent is there to win without him. It's the under-handed ways Simoes does this in public to cause negative speculation. What would have been wrong if he simply stated " Currentlt we are experiencing some personal issues with Mr. King, and he will not be included in the squad for JAM/CAN, We will addresss the matter in further detail if needed" Or "Mr. King is currently experiencing some issues with his professional contract, and we(JFF) feel it is in his and our best interest to have him sort these things our then return to us, in a better mindset"
No, what Simoes did was plant the seeds of dis-trust and animosity towards King in the minds of the public, and to create the vides that ONLY HE has our best interest at heart. Head games. He does this alot.
Sad, thing is ifd King comes forward now and give a story contrary to Simoes, he will be AGAIN Branded as a Trouble maker. Kings saving grace here is, the fact that he was SUSPENDED by Boxhill, and that suspension over turned by Burrel, so to now suspend King, would give credability to Boxhill, THAT BURRELL WILL NOT STAND FOR.
Lets just Hope this has nothing to do with Discipline. And, just a not in form thing or trying other options.
What was the question the Journalist asked Simoes? Do you see it in the article? Where?
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It seems as if Simoes has a permanent appointment or he doesn't really care what happen after this campaign as long as his principles are in tact. The question is, which is more important, Rene's principles or Jamaica's qualification?
Good luck to him! He will need lots of it!
. . .I don't know if this is a discipline thing but it would be a fair guess that it is. I'm always amused by how people want to have it both ways-we complain that Jamaica's biggest problem is discipline and then when a coach takes a stand we wonder why he's putting his 'principles' above the team .
you seeet cruyff?!
the man dem who a 'defend' it nuh have no principle demself and mi naw hide and talk
if a man who dem nuh like (Boxhill) do a ting dem nuh like, dem gwaan the most way and call the man fool/incompetent and everyting derogitory (sp)
if a man who dem like (Simoes) do a ting dem nuh like, dem gwaan like dem nuh see and take a different stance to the same action
dat's why mi haffi BUN DEM !!
dem too partial and partisan!
jah know, unuh nuh better dan the man dem weh unuh a cuss
If Bora had done this, wonder what the out cry would be? I was going to dig up some old post, but i'll let sleeping dogs goaan chill.
I have a very good, idea of the out come of this campaign. It has nothing to do with the team, but rather the head of the puppet show.
Jamaica will not qualify, plain and simple. Sad thing is, we have the talent to be knocking seriously on the doors of Mexico, USA,Canada, and Costa Rica.
The experimentation sides/team should by done with. No whole sale changes, and 1 or 2 man/men here or there in and out of the pool, unless serious problem exist with a player, then make it public and move on, no beating around the bushes..yes a pool of our 25 best should be used and 15-20 supplemental players a total 40-45 players should be told you are in. NOW maintain, Perform, Keep Fit.
Somoes, plays these games, with the JA public, that we(not me) buy into. Open letters, public spanking, condecending letter writing and subtle berating....
Simoes, is setting us up for his potential failure. By telling us this and that a goaan ina di back ground( he will never be specific) and man and man no discipline, dis youth and dat youth nah play hard...Hence, its not my fault if JA don't get to SA ( i was telling you all...public letters as public record) GAMES
wake up the dog dem Karl dem nuh need fi chill nuh more dig up the post dem
Funny thing is there is all this speculation but noone knows what is going on. Sometimes you have to watch the drama from Earl Bailey. I mean, does it sound like he got information on King directly from Simoes? Sounds like he was just connecting dots to form what may be an incomplete picture. He could be right, but ever since homeviewjamaica.com, bwoy....
I am surprised at all the speculation that Earl Bailey has created with his article which is also speculation. Simoes has always stated that he needs to see all available players and for that to happen sometimes some players must be left out for other players to be called. That does not mean that these players will not be recalled at a later date.
Don't make journalistic hype and website promotion cause the ites to lose sight that we have many more players to look at in a game environment and we do not have the luxury of friendly games to do it.
1) Poor journalism - King did not get axed if he was never called to camp. Excitement for nothing. (Was it EB's title?)
2) Regarding the alarmist followers: It does not say he was not invited due to lack of discipline, nor does it say it was
3) Is it a practice for TDs or HCs to write a letter to the country (sporting fans) explaining his actions? Or JLIJ just get spoil?
4) Is it practice for the TDs or HCs to explain anything to anybody?
5) HL, the silence is indeed deafening.
6) In 10 years we can't find more than one striking saviour
7) I said it already and I will say it again, recycling can be very expensive.
HL please break down all the speculations for me.
1) Simoes helping out King by not risking injury... job security... club spot. 2) King no have no manners 3) King drop off form 4) Simoes is god-sent but is making a major mistake 5) King is not from the original Paris Dream Team 6) King is not from HV (okay but bet you smaddy thinking it!) 7) Fare cheaper from KIN/MBJ to YYZ than LHR to YYZ 8) King is not a Christian (HI, u can handle this one easy) 9) Is Burrell fault 10) Is Boxhill fault
Did I miss any? It sure is good to be back... hehehe
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[quote=BKM]
I said this and a post already that Marlon King and Luton Shelton can not play together. because they both play alike, Burton is the only unique forward he can play with just about any one of the forwards that we have avilable.
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King and Shelton play alike????????????? You have to explain that one to me as I fail to make that connection.
ms p, mi feel seh a di speculation weh come after 1 and before 3
after a nuh now King a tell man bout dem !@#$%!$
unuh want BadRas remind unuh bout the US game weh him tell di man dem bout dem !@@%$!% after him fi square di ball
ms p, add number 11 to the list
11) King guh Passa Passa, drink some hennesey and redbull, dance di 'nuh linger' and the 'sweep', guh back a camp after curfew wid 2 'hottie hottie' and tell Simoes bout him !@#%!$@
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Originally Posted By: reggaefan
Rooney and most of the big stars in the UK are known party animals...Rooney even have a gambling issue going on. I doubt seriously that those things are held agaianst them. We hear of players getting into brawls in pubs all the time in the UK...one player even walked strayight from Jail into his team for pre-season training.
We have a way of always targeting our players. Unless Simoes can come out with a clean cut reason for King's ommission, then I will take this to mean that he (Simoes) has given up the fight before he fights the first battle.
According to sports commentry on TVJ, oral tracy thought that the reason given buy JFF was fictitious and he did some snooping on his own, to find out that the reason for KING BEING AXED! is :
In the first Qualifier against BAHAMAS king was pissed about being substituted and him lick out him sound gainst SIMOES!wicked wicked and curse bare badword, so inturn SIMOES bench him in the return leg, and its reported that after the return leg match finished him did give it to simoes wickeder!!! than the first leg.
Come to think of it If look at the tapes u notice him never have on nuh shirt for the whole match so i guess him never intended to play even if simoes was to sub him on.
SO there u have it All speculation Closed! UNO have the reason now so wah uno a seh!!!
Simoes need fi include all our best players. This a nuh test run thing. King must be disiciplined...deduct some of his pay for the match, but leaving King out is a big mistake. Team over personality applies both ways, to coach and players alike.
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Originally Posted By: gizmo
Simoes need fi include all our best players. This a nuh test run thing. King must be disiciplined...deduct some of his pay for the match, but leaving King out is a big mistake. Team over personality applies both ways, to coach and players alike.
If what Yellow say is true the coach have no choice but to left him in a england. Including de man after that would be fiasco for the team. If he got a call up every man pon the team will think it's ok to throw a temper tantrum.
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