jonny
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08/17/11 09:19 PM
Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Ecuador vs Jamaica in a friendly on 2. September

http://marcador.ec/notas/2011/08/17/luis...n-el-septiembre


Skilachi
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08/17/11 10:33 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Hope we get the big guns for this one, Jamaica probably could have worked out something with Colombia as well because they are available after the 3rd of next month when they play Honduras

LINCOLN
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08/18/11 03:32 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Quote:


Boyz secure int'l friendly with Ecuador

BY SEAN A WILLIAMS Assistant Sport Editor

Thursday, August 18, 2011

IN its drive to keep the Reggae Boyz active going into upcoming CONCACAF World Cup qualifying play-offs next year, the Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) has secured a friendly international game against South American outfit Ecuador on September 2 in that country's capital, Quito.

The game, to be played on an official FIFA calendar date, will take place at the country's premier sporting facility, the 39,000-capacity Estadio Olímpico Atahualpa. The kick off time is still to be decided.

President of the Jamaica Football Federation (JFF), Captain Horace Burrell, in breaking news of the match yesterday, said he was delighted Jamaica will get the opportunity to face "a quality South American opponent at high altitude".

"The JFF is very pleased at securing this game versus Ecuador in that country... there are already a lot of similarities between Ecuador and Mexico as well as Central American opponents we are likely to meet in the World Cup Qualifiers next year," said Burrell yesterday.

He added that the opportunity will allow for players and technical staff "to assimilate conditions that we will most definitely face on the journey to Brazil 2014".

The elevation of the city's central square — Plaza Grande — is measured at 2,800 metres (9,200 ft), making Quito the second-highest administrative capital city in the world after La Paz, Bolivia.

Burrell, who currently acts as president of the Caribbean Football Union (CFU), said the JFF intends to aggressively pursue other opportunities to fill the remaining FIFA calendar date windows for 2011.

"The JFF is pulling out all stops in securing additional games for the remaining FIFA dates for this year, and this game against Ecuador is another step in that direction," said the CONCACAF executive committee member.

The other FIFA windows allocated for friendly international matches for 2011 are October 7-11 and November 11-15.

Burrell, who was in China last week for the Boyz's 1-0 defeat against the hosts, said he does not expect to be faced with the same challenges that threatened that engagement where a number of players withdrew from the team for various reasons "at the last minute", forcing the Federation into contingencies that resulted in a reduced squad of 15 players for the match-up.

"We experienced a number of challenges preparing for the game against China, which were mostly outside of the JFF's control. We do not expect similar challenges for the game, especially because the September FIFA dates allow for us to have access to the players over a much longer period and provides greater flexibility with organisation and travel," said the veteran football boss.

Jamaica's delegation, including the European and USA-based players, are expected to arrive in the South America nation of 14 million on Tuesday, August 30 and depart Saturday, September 3.

The last time both countries met was in New York in August 2009 in a friendly that ended goalless.

While Jamaica — currently ranked at 44th by FIFA — have qualified for one FIFA World Cup back in France in 1998, Ecuador (ranked 67th), have qualified for two tournaments in 2002 and 2006. Their best performance came in 2006 when they advanced to the Round of 16 where they were eliminated by England.





Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Boyz-secure-int-l-friendly-with-Ecuador_9468449#ixzz1VNJf5wVW


LINCOLN
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08/18/11 03:43 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Quote:

The elevation of the city's central square — Plaza Grande — is measured at 2,800 metres (9,200 ft), making Quito the second-highest administrative capital city in the world after La Paz, Bolivia.


Good practice for Mexico/Azteca........
Time to bring in some of these cats who the JFF folks are targeting. There is no point having players on paper and then wait until actual qualifying games to put them into the team......

As per Rene Simoes......
 Quote:

The transition, he explained, is not always easy and many struggle to make it successfully.

"Some players are club players," the technical director said. "The national jersey can be heavy."


jamatl
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08/18/11 06:05 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Tappa get on the plane now to England, and get in some man ears!!!!

distributor1
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08/18/11 06:14 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Well, I will laud the JFF for setting up a good friendly. The altitude stuff is a bit of a canard, because a lot of scientific literature argues that the players would either have to be in the place for 7-14 days, or arrive 24-48 hours before the game for good adaptation. The first scenario builds better blood oxygen capacity, while the second means that the body will have less time to suffer from oxygen depletion. Burrell is all blah, blah, blah, as Mexico City's conditions are different, and the players often face poor air quality.

The big question is whether we will see any new faces in the Boyz squad. I am skeptical, but I was also skeptical that we would be playing a solid opponent, so I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope that the JFF will continue to surprise.


jamatl
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08/18/11 07:45 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Which new faces are we seeking in the squad? (Most of our players in the UK having been riding the bench)

distributor1
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08/18/11 08:10 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: jamatl
Which new faces are we seeking in the squad? (Most of our players in the UK having been riding the bench)


How old is the season Jamatl? We are not talking about JJ, Fuller, King, or D. Stewart, who are all injured, nor Bibi, who might be retired from the national team, nor Claude, who is without a club; instead, I am curious to see whether Chris Humphrey, who has been mooted, or Pratley, who should be approached, might be on the radar. Hey, even J. C-Ryce, who played well yesterday, might be considered a new player given that he has been ignored for awhile.


LINCOLN
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08/18/11 09:01 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: distributor1
Well, I will laud the JFF for setting up a good friendly. The altitude stuff is a bit of a canard, because a lot of scientific literature argues that the players would either have to be in the place for 7-14 days, or arrive 24-48 hours before the game for good adaptation. The first scenario builds better blood oxygen capacity, while the second means that the body will have less time to suffer from oxygen depletion. Burrell is all blah, blah, blah, as Mexico City's conditions are different, and the players often face poor air quality.

The big question is whether we will see any new faces in the Boyz squad. I am skeptical, but I was also skeptical that we would be playing a solid opponent, so I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope that the JFF will continue to surprise.



Rene Simoes tried the 24-48 hours and the players never responded well.......the players were still dazed.

BTW, the last time Jamaica played up in the mountains of Bolivia many of the players had to be taken off on stretchers because they could not breathe.......If I remember correctly there is a famous picture out there with Dean Sewell trying to sit up on a stretcher.....

Bolivia vs Jamaica
Friendly match
23 March 1997
№ 257

Bolivia 6 – 0 Jamaica
Estadio Jesús Bermúdez, Oruro
Attendance: 5,000
Referee: Ortubé (BOL)
Sánchez 13', 63'
Blanco 23', 86'
Suárez 26', 78'

6-0 goals later and the Boyz were still trying to exhale...or inhale.





distributor1
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08/18/11 09:28 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Simoes' last escapade failed for various reasons including much-delayed-same-day arrival, and low level squad selection. The 1997 scenario is notable, but we will hope that the "professionalism" of the new squad -- haha -- might help.

Altitude is tough for all visiting teams, unless they usually play at it, or have lots of time to prepare. But we won't get that time here, nor if we play in the Hex. Bolivia and Ecuador are not great footballing nations, but home games can make them formidable.

But, Lincoln, what is your take on whether we will see any new squad members?


LINCOLN
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08/18/11 09:49 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: distributor1
Simoes' last escapade failed for various reasons including much-delayed-same-day arrival, and low level squad selection. The 1997 scenario is notable, but we will hope that the "professionalism" of the new squad -- haha -- might help.

Altitude is tough for all visiting teams, unless they usually play at it, or have lots of time to prepare. But we won't get that time here, nor if we play in the Hex. Bolivia and Ecuador are not great footballing nations, but home games can make them formidable.

But, Lincoln, what is your take on whether we will see any new squad members?


I think it will be more of the same.......
Luton Shelton is just getting into Turkey.......Lucy if we see him.

Rudi's club is at # 2 and is trying to make a push for the top spot.......Question marks again...

Jason and Demar is at midtable but is pushing for a place in Europa Cup......Their gaffer is mad because the club is hurting.

Humpherys & Motherwell are off to a good start in Scotland and would like to keep it up.......

Fuller is recovering....

Claude has no job....

JJ and Stewpeas are under the JFF 18 wheeler bus and have pretty much given up....

Ratty Daley needs a job....

Keamar Daley is in limbo and even if he signs with Preston....he may need to stay at the club to catch up.....

Obrian White - has more blood clots

Donavon Ricketts is still crocked....

CEO Bibi Gardner is pretty much in the elder statesmen category like Tyrone Marshall & Andy Williams......"In case of emergency, break glass."

What is left?

1. Dane "One Trick Pony" Richards. - NY Red Bulls
2. Omar cummings. - Colorado
3. Ryan Johnson.- Toronto
4. Jevaughn Watson. - Houston
5. Lovell Palmer. - Portland
6. Shavar Thomas. - Kansas City
7. Shaun Francis - Columbus (???)
8. U-23 players.
9. (Returning) Bronx League players.

10. Kieron Bernard - Orlando City
11. Demar Stewart - Orlando City
12. Jermaine Taylor - Houston


jamatl
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08/18/11 10:14 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Lincs,


It would definately be wise to get the two Orlando City players involved. Shaun Francis is still touch and go with his hamstring/quad. I would expect to see Morrison and we SHOULD take at least three(3) of the U23 players along for the trip for exposure.

Let Ricketts get match fit again, we need to fight like hell to get Pratley and Dada.

He(Tappa) should give Rudi and Shelton are rest until October, you can see the frustration and travel fatigue on their faces.


jamatl
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08/18/11 10:18 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

I would expect the following locals:

Richard Edwards
Richard McCallum
Eric Vernan
Adrian Reid


LINCOLN
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08/18/11 10:56 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

I would not mind seeing goalkeeper Ryan Thompson (Shamrock Rovers, Ireland) getting even 30 minutes in goal. Maybe he can be a back up for Richard McCullum. The travelling is taking a toll on Duwayne Miller and Duwayne Keer at the club level.......

 Originally Posted By: jamatl
I would expect the following locals:

Richard Edwards
Richard McCallum
Eric Vernan
Adrian Reid


 Originally Posted By: LINCOLN

1. Dane "One Trick Pony" Richards. - NY Red Bulls
2. Omar cummings. - Colorado
3. Ryan Johnson.- Toronto
4. Jevaughn Watson. - Houston
5. Lovell Palmer. - Portland
6. Shavar Thomas. - Kansas City
7. Shaun Francis - Columbus (???)
8. U-23 players.
9. (Returning) Bronx League players.
10. Kieron Bernard - Orlando City
11. Demar Stewart - Orlando City
12. Jermaine Taylor - Houston
13. Dane Kelly - Charleston Battery


jamatl
(Forum General)
08/18/11 11:00 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Miller is in a relegation battle in Sweden. While,Kerr is the backup keeper at 2nd division Strommen in Norway. He has played less than 5 matches against competition much below the international level.

Ballaprof
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08/18/11 03:59 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Tappa time for the English based players!!! Time is now.. WE want to see THE REGGAE BOYZ!!!!!!! the originals we have to bring the best or we are going to look disappointed...

Skilachi
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08/19/11 04:39 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Its gonna be a speedy test between us and them especially if they call Antonio Valencia, the speed demon of Manchester United. I want to see how Tappa deals with players like him.

Jamaicanyouth
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08/19/11 09:25 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

The Reggae Boyz will continue there Road to Rio preparation with a trip to Quito, Ecuador to play the 64th ranked Ecuador on September 2nd. Captain Horace Burell, President of the JFF insists he has plans to get the Boyz a friendly on every FIFA date leading into the World Cup qualifiers next year. The Ecuador clash will certainly be no walkover for the Boyz. Even though Coach Tappa Whitmore promises to field a strong 11, it will certainly be a very tough environment in Quito, Ecuador. The Estadio Olimpico Atahualpa is 2,000m above sea level and the air is thin, especially being so close to the Equator. The last time Ecuador lost at home is back in 2009 to Uruguay. As Ecuador qualified for the 2002 and 2006 World Cup, they went unbeaten at home and they gave up very few goals. So this will be a big test for the Boyz. But the experience is what is important going forward. Also getting a South American opponent which has been a key objective since the 2014 World Cup Qualification Draw has been met.

The Ecuadorians are coming off a very disappointing Copa America tournament. Exiting at the 1st round for the 5th time in a row. The last time they made it further in the competition was back in 1997 where they made it to the Quarter-Finals. But in that space in time, Ecuador has accomplished many things in the 14 year period. Ecuador has exported more players across the globe, especially to top clubs for an example Luis Antonio Valencia to Manchester United and Christian Benitez formerly of Birmingham City but now at Club America. Ecuador has qualified for there 1st and 2nd World Cup respectively. Getting knocked out in the 1st round of 2002 and the 2nd round of 2006.


In the past, Jamaica has met Ecuador twice. 1st in 1996 in Ambato, Ecuador with Jamaica going down 2-1 with Onandi Lowe getting the consolation goal. And the 2 teams met again in August 2009 in New York with the game playing out to a 0-0 Draw. That game will be remembered for Dicoy Williams excellent debut at Centre back putting in some solid challenges and the 16 month return of Jermaine Taylor. This also marked the 1st game Shavar Thomas captained Jamaica at the senior level.


With both teams having an intention to play strong 11's. The game should turn out to be a very open game. Ecuador should be using the width and set pieces to there advantage as they have done in recent times. The key player to look out for is right winger Antonio Valencia. He is a Manchester United right winger who recently won the EPL title for the 2010-2011 season. He is a key asset for the Ecuadorians putting in accurate crosses and precise overlapping movements. But what Jamaica could take from him is that his weak link is that he is a one-dimensional player. What that means is that even though he is accurate he is predictable. He always storms down the flank to put in a cross. You hardly see him cutting inside to take a shot. So Demar Phillips could have an interesting job at left back come September 2nd.


The game is promised to be a cracker. We should expect the Boyz to show more flare and creativity, the cohesive play is starting to fall into place. Win, Draw or Lose, this is just one step forward to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.


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Email : simon_preston51@msn.com

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distributor1
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08/20/11 08:28 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Jamaicanyouth
The key player to look out for is right winger Antonio Valencia. He is a Manchester United right winger who recently won the EPL title for the 2010-2011 season. He is a key asset for the Ecuadorians putting in accurate crosses and precise overlapping movements. But what Jamaica could take from him is that his weak link is that he is a one-dimensional player. What that means is that even though he is accurate he is predictable. He always storms down the flank to put in a cross. You hardly see him cutting inside to take a shot. So Demar Phillips could have an interesting job at left back come September 2nd.

_________________________________________________

Simon Preston


Jyouth, nice that you are writing, and your grammar, while still in need of refinement, is improving. But be careful with your facts: Valencia is not a one-dimensional player. He plays in a certain formation for Man U., which requires him to do what he does, but he does not play that way for his country. He is very incisive, and penetrative. Try not to make blanket statements until you have deeper knowledge.


jamatl
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08/20/11 12:54 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Burrell speaks out - JFF boss urges clubs, players to respect FIFA match dates
Published: Saturday | August 20, 2011 Comments 0
Burrell
Burrell

Ryon Jones, Gleaner Writer

Jamaica Football Federation head, Captain Horace Burrell, is urging the national players who ply their trade abroad, and the clubs they represent, to be cognisant of the importance of the FIFA-appointed dates for national teams to engage in international friendlies.

Burrell's request comes on the back of the Jamaica's international friendly match against China, which was played earlier this month and saw 11 of the players called up for the match not making the trip for one reason or the other. The much-depleted Reggae Boyz team lost 1-0 to the 73rd-ranked Chinese.

"I am hopeful that they (players) are cognisant of the importance of the games, because they are the ones who are set to benefit," Burrell said. "I cannot overemphasise to our players the importance of making themselves available and performing well during these friendlies so that we don't fall below a particular line on the FIFA ranking, where they are not going to be able to get contracts to go into the United Kingdom where all of our players want to go and ply their trade," he added.

According to Burrell, he is trying to work as best as possible with the clubs to secure the services of the players, while ensuring that harmony is maintained between both parties.

Selfish clubs

"FIFA dates are set by the world's governing body to ensure that there is harmony between the clubs and the national associations. However, from time to time clubs have certain commitments that they cannot get out of and the associations sometimes have to understand that," Burrell shared. "However, some clubs are just being very selfish and not wanting to release the players at all."

He added: "In cases where the request coming from the club is genuine we will definitely work with the clubs, but in other cases where it is a case where the clubs just don't want to release the players, we are not going to accept that."

According to FIFA rules: "Clubs are obliged to release their registered players to the representative teams of the country for which the player is eligible to play on the basis of his nationality if they are called up by the association concerned. Any agreement between a player and a club to the contrary is prohibited."

National senior coach Theodore Whitmore will be hoping that this rule is adhered to by the various clubs, so he will have a stronger team at his disposal on September 2 when the 44th-ranked Reggae Boyz are slated to play their next international friendly against the 67th-ranked Ecuadorian national team in Quito.

The federation is also working feverishly to secure another friendly encounter on September 6, which is also a FIFA date.

Football fans will have to wait for sometime yet to see the Reggae Boyz in action locally, as Burrell does not view it to be financial feasible.

"The cost to stage a game locally is prohibitive and we are currently not in a good position where that is concerned," Burrell disclosed. "A meeting date has been set with Independence Park Limited (the body charged with managing the National Stadium) to discuss all these concerns," he added.


Jamaicanyouth
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08/24/11 10:04 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

19 players called up to the game :

Dwayne Miller
Omar Cummings
Ryan Johnson
Shavar Thomas
Jermaine Taylor
Demar Phillips
Damion Williams
Rudolph Austin
Jevaughn Watson
Dane Richards

Eric Vernon
Xavian Virgo
Adrian Reid
Richard Edwards
Troy Smith
Richard Mccallum
Keneil Moodie
Montrose Phin
ANdre Vanzie



Alvas Powell will be part of training camp


JaggaAdministrator
(Moderator)
08/24/11 10:44 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

I am starting to believe these are our core players for World Cup qualifying

jamatl
(Forum General)
08/24/11 11:03 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Jagga
I am starting to believe these are our core players for World Cup qualifying


Some are players are missing sorting out club contracts, while others have not played more than a half of football in over 6+ months.

Would you bring a player(s) who is/are not match fit to play an away match at 2000+ feet above sea level after a trans-Atlantic flight?


JaggaAdministrator
(Moderator)
08/24/11 11:13 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Since the contract situation with the JFF after the Caribbean Cup it seems that only certain players have been called into the squad rotation. Many of us have been waiting for some of the more experienced players to get some game time in to see how they fit with the current crop. I suspect that many of the better or more seasoned professionals did not agree to the contract terms and they will never wear the colors again until the agree to the Captain's terms.

jamatl
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08/24/11 11:20 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Jagga
Since the contract situation with the JFF after the Caribbean Cup it seems that only certain players have been called into the squad rotation. Many of us have been waiting for some of the more experienced players to get some game time in to see how they fit with the current crop. I suspect that many of the better or more seasoned professionals did not agree to the contract terms and they will never wear the colors again until the agree to the Captain's terms.


Agreed and some of them are not match-fit.


distributor1
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08/24/11 11:27 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: jamatl
 Originally Posted By: Jagga
I am starting to believe these are our core players for World Cup qualifying


Some are players are missing sorting out club contracts, while others have not played more than a half of football in over 6+ months.

Would you bring a player(s) who is/are not match fit to play an away match at 2000+ feet above sea level after a trans-Atlantic flight?


Stop the nonsense Jamatl. Are you working for the JFF? Name names, excluding the injured players. Players on the bench in the UK are fitter than players from the low-level DPL, because they train better, and play reserve games. By the way, is the DPL in full mid-season swing?

What you have here is what a number of us have been sayuing for awhile. The JFF and Tappa are not going to bring in players who will demand better treatment and money. I also think that there is the sense that some of these ballers might not worship at Tappa's feet. We will see "foreign" players only when the team gets desperate. It is now time to start approaching players, and trying out "potential". No one is saying that we should lock out locals, but we must realize that some of the locals are not up to the task.


jamatl
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08/24/11 11:45 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Are the following players below not "foreign" based ?

Dwayne Miller
Omar Cummings
Ryan Johnson
Shavar Thomas
Jermaine Taylor
Demar Phillips
Damion Williams
Rudolph Austin
Jevaughn Watson
Dane Richards


We all know we are talking about the UK-based players that are missing. I absolutely do not work for the JFF and it does concern me also. But the only UK-based players who have played any minutes are:

Darren Pratley (Bolton)
Jermaine Beckford (Everton)
Chris Humphrey (Motherwell)
Ian Goodison (Tranmere)
Zavon Hines(West Ham)
Jamal Campbell-Ryce(Barnsley)
Joel Grant(Crewe Alexander)
Jobi McNuff(Watford)
Lee Williamson(Sheffield United)


pressafoot
(Forum General)
08/24/11 12:21 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: jamatl

We all know we are talking about the UK-based players that are missing. I absolutely do not work for the JFF and it does concern me also. But the only UK-based players who have played any minutes are:

Darren Pratley (Bolton)
Jermaine Beckford (Everton)
Chris Humphrey (Motherwell)
Ian Goodison (Tranmere)
Zavon Hines(West Ham)
Jamal Campbell-Ryce(Barnsley)
Joel Grant(Crewe Alexander)
Jobi McNuff(Watford)
Lee Williamson(Sheffield United)


Most if not all of this list will be missing come WCQs.

Looks like non hyped up u-23 Vanzie earned himself a call up. Good job!

Troy Smith gets yet another chance.






distributor1
(Forum General)
08/24/11 12:44 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: jamatl
Are the following players below not "foreign" based ?

Dwayne Miller
Omar Cummings
Ryan Johnson
Shavar Thomas
Jermaine Taylor
Demar Phillips
Damion Williams
Rudolph Austin
Jevaughn Watson
Dane Richards


We all know we are talking about the UK-based players that are missing. I absolutely do not work for the JFF and it does concern me also. But the only UK-based players who have played any minutes are:

Darren Pratley (Bolton)
Jermaine Beckford (Everton)
Chris Humphrey (Motherwell)
Ian Goodison (Tranmere)
Zavon Hines(West Ham)
Jamal Campbell-Ryce(Barnsley)
Joel Grant(Crewe Alexander)
Jobi McNuff(Watford)
Lee Williamson(Sheffield United)


That's what I mean Jamatl. And you know that's what we are talking about. The second list should exclude people such as Pepe, who will be too old. But some of these players should be getting a call, but they are not.

As for "playing time" Shavar would not be called based on that criterion. But with Dicoy injured, hey... Where is Jason Morrison?

Oh well, "Cheap and Cheerful" should be the new Boyz motto.


Hamilton Israel
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08/24/11 01:45 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Jagga
I am starting to believe these are our core players for World Cup qualifying


I'm feeling the same way JAG; it's as if these friendlies are just to fill the FIFA match day gap.

He already knows these players I don't know what else TAPPA is expecting from them. There should have being a minimum of 2 UK ites to tryout.

JFF lacking vision & forsight.....


morefire1
(Forum General)
08/24/11 04:59 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Could it be that some of these UK based players may not be available as per their clubs. Maybe JY can expand on this a bit...

Overseas Clubs, are making it increasingly difficult for Jamaica, and other smaller soccer playing countries to have access to their players for friendlies. So you will find that the JFF will for the most part, will go with players that they have easy access to.

The way these clubs work now, Small playing nations will only have access to their full compliment of players for major Tournaments, making it impossible for us to maintain a good/high ranking...If clubs were abiding by Fifa rules and Jamiaca had access to all the players throughout the yr, we could be a top 25-30 consistently.


I wouldn't be surprised, if ths UB40 crew has told the JFF that they will not be available till WCQ start.

Important disclaimer,

the views expresed by yours truly, is mine only, and is not necessarily the view of the JFF. \:\)


jamatl
(Forum General)
08/24/11 07:28 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

fyi, None of the players or their agents have come out and publicly stated that they are looking for and/or awaiting a call up from the JFF.

Darren Pratley (Bolton)
Jermaine Beckford (Everton)
Zavon Hines(West Ham)



I think we should focus on the match and getting our first quality win against a quality opponent in their backyard. We made a big mental stride getting a result in El Salvador, now is the time to get another quality win in an opponent's backyard.


jamatl
(Forum General)
08/25/11 05:42 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Young Boyz invited to camp for Ecuador friendly

Thursday, August 25, 2011

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THE technical staff for the senior men's national football team has convened a training camp for August 25-29 to prepare for the upcoming international friendly against Ecuador scheduled for Quito, Ecuador on September 2 at 4:00 pm (Jamaica time).

The list of invited players includes 10 overseas-based players.

The staff is using the opportunity to start assembling players for the 2014 World Cup campaign.

As a result, the 25-member local camp includes players from the 2011 Under-17 and Under-20 World Cup campaigns, as well as the 2011 Under-23 campaign who will join the nine senior players.

The game against the South American football nation continues the 'Road to Brazil' preparation. President of the JFF, Captain Horace Burrell, has stated the JFF's intent to seek an international friendly on all FIFA dates as part of this preparation.

The encounter promises to be very competitive as the last time Ecuador lost at home was in 2009, against 2011 Copa America finalists Uruguay.

Ecuador qualified for the World Cup Finals in 2002 and 2006 and in 2006, the country went as far as the second round.

The invitees for the game include 12 players who participated in the 2011 Gold Cup, with the technical staff relying on that squad to form the core of Jamaica's preparation even while the doors remain open to other players.

Recent incidents of injury and difficulties in getting players released from clubs have strengthened the determination to build a broader based pool.

The local-based delegation will leave the island on August 30 and return on September 4. The entire 25-man training squad begins training this afternoon.

Local-based invitees: Eric Vernan, Xavian Virgo, Richard Edwards, Keneil Moodie, Montrose Phinn, Andre Vanzie, Richard McCallum, Adrian Reid, Troy Smith, Alanzo Adlam, Alvas Powell, Andrae Campbell, Andre Bernal, Andre Blake, Andre Clennon, Chad Bennett, Gariece McPherson, Jason Watson, Jhamie Hyde, Kemar Foster, Neco Brett, Ricardo Morris, Romario Williams, Theo Brown, Vincent Earle.

Overseas-based invitees: Dwayne Miller, Shavar Thomas, Jermaine Taylor, Omar Cummings, Ryan Johnson, Demar Phillips, Damion Williams, Rudolph Austin, Dane Richards, Jevaughn Watson.

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/You...2#ixzz1W2mwb9Jm


jamatl
(Forum General)
08/25/11 05:46 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Good to see a full squad in training, however Marvin Morgan, Jr. and Romeo Parkes could not make the cut.

distributor1
(Forum General)
08/25/11 06:28 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: jamatl
fyi, None of the players or their agents have come out and publicly stated that they are looking for and/or awaiting a call up from the JFF.

Darren Pratley (Bolton)
Jermaine Beckford (Everton)
Zavon Hines(West Ham)


I think we should focus on the match and getting our first quality win against a quality opponent in their backyard. We made a big mental stride getting a result in El Salvador, now is the time to get another quality win in an opponent's backyard.



You need a course in logic, Jamatl. Is it up to agents to state this? Also, unless media go to players and ask them specific questions are the players going to call up reporters to hold press conferences? You really seem to be a publicist for a moribund and corrupt JFF. Or else you are reading too many self-help-power-of-positive-thinking books.

I am not saying that some of the players who have been mooted are willing to play for JA, but I think that it is important that they are approached. Now, because I am not inside the JFF, it is possible that they and others have been, and have declined the offers, but I seriously doubt it. We have seen a pattern here for awhile now, and I doubt that it will change soon.

Yes we must get on with it, but those of us who are hoping that the Boyz will be serious contenders to qualify for Brazil 2014 must be starting to feel pessimistic.


CARTER
(Forum General)
08/25/11 07:55 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

It seems like the JFF is still in the searching for player mode among the locals but it does not make sense to me to bring a mainly local contingent to play at high altitude agaisnt a decent south American team. This is a recipe for 6-0.
At this stage I would think it is about time the JFF start introducing whoever these news players are to such conditions and develop chemistry with the so-called core. Are we going to bring these players in when we are struggling and must go to Mexico to win? Should we not bring these players in to start the hype and get the fans/sponsors aboard? If the intention is to bring in players from the English league to soldify the squad why are playing these locals who are going to be dropped anyway when you need time to build team chemistry? Are we just filling the FIFA dates to make some money with the promise of making the world cup.
I am really concern about our chances of getting to Brazil at a time when the US,CR,HON is beatable anywhere just if we put more effort into building a team. Based on the Gol cup we are not ready to trouble the top 3 teams in Concacaf when the games matter most looking at the so-called core of players.
I am preparing for the failure in qualifying once more and then the blamed is put on the lack of government, private sector support etc.
I think after seeing that squad the JFF should address publicly what they are doing in terms of building a team that can qualify for the 2014 WC to build optimism among the many supporters. I am sure even the sponsors/fans are thinking the current preparation is going to fall short. It look more like we are preparing for 2018 WC.


king 11
(Member)
08/25/11 07:57 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

what happen to the 2010 - 2011 mvp and the rest of reno players

jamatl
(Forum General)
08/25/11 08:03 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

We need to focus and figure out how to deal with Antonio Valencia (Manchester United/ENG), Christian "Chucho" Benítez (Club America/MEX), Segundo Castillo (Pachuca/MEX), Christian Noboa (Rubin Kazan/RUS) and Felipe Caicedo (Lokomotiv Moscow/RUS) along with the altitude and crowd in Quito.




morefire1
(Forum General)
08/25/11 08:54 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Once again, I really don't see the English Clubs releasing their players, especially the ones born in England to play friendlies for Jamaica on a reg.... So the chances of building any Chemistry with those players at this time is remote. There is a chance that we will get the Jamaican born ones for few games but will have to wait to qualifiers start...

Its a bitter pill to swallow, but it is what it is. Tappa is doing the right thing building the local base, and not putting all his Eggs in one Basket. Touching base with the UK Players is one thing, but in the end its the clubs calling the shots.

The sooner we realize this, the better..


Technic
(Forum General)
08/25/11 09:19 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

I thought on FIFA match days, friendly or not, clubs had to release players to their national teams. Am I wrong?

distributor1
(Forum General)
08/25/11 10:05 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Technic
I thought on FIFA match days, friendly or not, clubs had to release players to their national teams. Am I wrong?


You are correct! FIFA has strict rules about this, and if a country brings a complaint the offending club can be fined and lose the player to a suspension. This is not to say that there are not backroom machinations, but if a player wants to play for a country, he must be released if he is not injured. From FIFA:

Release of players for national association representative matches in accordance with the Coordinated International Match Calendar

Friendly matches on a fixed/set date for qualifying matches for an international competition

If a national association does not have to play qualifying matches for an international competition, it may wish to play a friendly match on a fixed/set date.

In this event, if a player is called up, he must be released to the national association as under section b) above, and in accordance with Art. 36 Paragraphs 2a) and 5a). The period of release, however, shall only be 48 hours.

To answer Morefire and Jamatl, our local players will not be enough to get us far. We must cultivate what we have, but we must augment the squad with carefully-chosen-foreign-born players.

By the way, Jamatl, you never answered my question about the condition of the locals who won't be starting their season until the second week of September. Do you think that the great physical preparation that they get in pre-season in JA will outweigh their technical limitations?


jamatl
(Forum General)
08/25/11 10:43 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Technic
I thought on FIFA match days, friendly or not, clubs had to release players to their national teams. Am I wrong?


Yes, you are correct. However, if the player has not committed to OR hold a passport OR proper citizenship documentation for the calling national team, FIFA can do nothing. So just because a player "reportedly" has Jamaica-born parents or grandparents, does it automatically give the JFF rights to call up that player(s) with FIFA backing.


distributor1
(Forum General)
08/25/11 10:49 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: jamatl
 Originally Posted By: Technic
I thought on FIFA match days, friendly or not, clubs had to release players to their national teams. Am I wrong?


Yes, you are correct. However, if the player has not committed to OR hold a passport OR proper citizenship documentation for the calling national team, FIFA can do nothing. So just because a player "reportedly" has Jamaica-born parents or grandparents, does it automatically give the JFF rights to call up that player(s) with FIFA backing.


Not the point, laddie. We all know that one. What is being said is that the process should have started a long time ago. I think J. C-Ryce is eligible, don't you. You are clearly in the JFF camp, so denials will no longer suffice.


jamatl
(Forum General)
08/25/11 11:02 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: distributor1
 Originally Posted By: Technic
I thought on FIFA match days, friendly or not, clubs had to release players to their national teams. Am I wrong?


You are correct! FIFA has strict rules about this, and if a country brings a complaint the offending club can be fined and lose the player to a suspension. This is not to say that there are not backroom machinations, but if a player wants to play for a country, he must be released if he is not injured. From FIFA:

Release of players for national association representative matches in accordance with the Coordinated International Match Calendar

Friendly matches on a fixed/set date for qualifying matches for an international competition

If a national association does not have to play qualifying matches for an international competition, it may wish to play a friendly match on a fixed/set date.

In this event, if a player is called up, he must be released to the national association as under section b) above, and in accordance with Art. 36 Paragraphs 2a) and 5a). The period of release, however, shall only be 48 hours.

To answer Morefire and Jamatl, our local players will not be enough to get us far. We must cultivate what we have, but we must augment the squad with carefully-chosen-foreign-born players.

By the way, Jamatl, you never answered my question about the condition of the locals who won't be starting their season until the second week of September. Do you think that the great physical preparation that they get in pre-season in JA will outweigh their technical limitations?


In regards to the condition of the local based players, they have been in camp with the technical staff for various stretches since August 1st.

I admit that I would love to see Bibi, Pratley, Humphery and even Hines in the mix. Where we need some serious building is in the backline. Since May virtual our entire player pool of defenders have not been playing consistent football at the club level, BIG PROBLEM, IMO!!!!!

So distributor1, if the same thing happens for the October and November FIFA match dates then I will be in FULL agreement with your views. The MLS and Scandavian coaches will want their players as their season come to an end, the Reggaeboyz can then call up the UK-based crew at that time without any complaints. Right now, focus on Ecuador!!!!


jamatl
(Forum General)
08/25/11 11:07 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: jamatl
We need to focus and figure out how to deal with Antonio Valencia (Manchester United/ENG), Christian "Chucho" Benítez (Club America/MEX), Segundo Castillo (Pachuca/MEX), Christian Noboa (Rubin Kazan/RUS) and Felipe Caicedo (Lokomotiv Moscow/RUS) along with the altitude and crowd in Quito.




We are going to need some pace to keep up with Benitez and Caicedo.


CARTER
(Forum General)
08/25/11 11:34 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

I will be here when the same selection process happens in November. I am going to say we need every FIFA date to integrate new players.We cannot call all of them at once to save us next year.Call up 2 new players every match date would be ideal just to see how they look.

I doubt the locals is fit enough to run at high altitude but I guess that Tappa knows best.


SamtheMan!!
(Forum General)
08/25/11 12:30 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Are Hines, Pratley, Humphrey and Stew Peas too much to ask for Tappa? A rock solid defender by our present standards, an impressive defensive mid and two out and out attacking flyers!? Time to stop playing the fool and recognize that we need solid additions to this squad!*kiss teet*

distributor1
(Forum General)
08/25/11 01:09 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: SamtheMan!!
Are Hines, Pratley, Humphrey and Stew Peas too much to ask for Tappa? A rock solid defender by our present standards, an impressive defensive mid and two out and out attacking flyers!? Time to stop playing the fool and recognize that we need solid additions to this squad!*kiss teet*


Agreed. But Stew Peas is hurt, and you know that Tappa and the JFF have ruled him out of future national sides, no matter how they will lie about it.


CARTER
(Forum General)
08/25/11 01:31 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Tappa head is gassed right now because of the fairly decent record he has coaching the boyz.It is quite posible he think he has the team that will get us to the worldcup and has mild interest in the new players.The fact is the team looked clueless agaisnt the USA in the Gol Cup and who is to say they will look any better in qualifying. We might might struggle to get out of the group phase because all the other teams will be ready and we struggled agaisnt caribbean teams in the past.

The team need to play somebody then we can get a true measure of where we are.


Marklon
(Forum General)
08/25/11 01:35 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Same ole BS from JFF, aint nuthin change, we will loose against Equador and and we definatley will not sniff qualifiying with this same old ways and expect better .

zilla
(Forum General)
08/25/11 03:12 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: distributor1
 Originally Posted By: jamatl
 Originally Posted By: Jagga
I am starting to believe these are our core players for World Cup qualifying


Some are players are missing sorting out club contracts, while others have not played more than a half of football in over 6+ months.

Would you bring a player(s) who is/are not match fit to play an away match at 2000+ feet above sea level after a trans-Atlantic flight?


Stop the nonsense Jamatl. Are you working for the JFF? Name names, excluding the injured players. Players on the bench in the UK are fitter than players from the low-level DPL, because they train better, and play reserve games. By the way, is the DPL in full mid-season swing?

What you have here is what a number of us have been sayuing for awhile. The JFF and Tappa are not going to bring in players who will demand better treatment and money. I also think that there is the sense that some of these ballers might not worship at Tappa's feet. We will see "foreign" players only when the team gets desperate. It is now time to start approaching players, and trying out "potential". No one is saying that we should lock out locals, but we must realize that some of the locals are not up to the task.

Wen dem desperate and call in the farin playas dem and dem dont get we to the promise land, dem get crucified


SamtheMan!!
(Forum General)
08/25/11 05:59 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

According to Capo we maybe facing another South American team on the second fifa matchday in September come the 6th. Stay tuned for details. Tappa, call some Brits nuh pawdy!!

theworm2345
(Forum General)
08/25/11 06:47 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Can someone please explain what does Tappa have against England-based players? The last time an England-based player got a cap under him was Fuller against T&T last October (remember Omar Daley was unattached during the Gold Cup). Below is a list of active Jamaican players with 10+ caps in England and the best explanation I can find for them not getting a call.

Gardner and Fuller and injured
Stewart, Goodison, JJ, and King have had their problems with the JFF in the past
I can't remember Claude Davis doing anything but he's without a club...could still probably do the job though. He hasn't been called since the '09 Gold Cup (was there a problem then?)
I can't find an excuse for JCR


distributor1
(Forum General)
08/25/11 10:06 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: theworm2345
Can someone please explain what does Tappa have against England-based players? The last time an England-based player got a cap under him was Fuller against T&T last October (remember Omar Daley was unattached during the Gold Cup). Below is a list of active Jamaican players with 10+ caps in England and the best explanation I can find for them not getting a call.

Gardner and Fuller and injured
Stewart, Goodison, JJ, and King have had their problems with the JFF in the past
I can't remember Claude Davis doing anything but he's without a club...could still probably do the job though. He hasn't been called since the '09 Gold Cup (was there a problem then?)
I can't find an excuse for JCR


You are right about this. But Stewart, JJ, and King are injured, which is not to say that they would get called, for various reasons. Claude is still searching for a club, so needs to find one. JCR, for some reason, has been exiled.

I rather suspect the Bibi has been retired by the national team, so even when he recovers I doubt that we will see him. We desperately need new blood, and a new attitude from Tappa and the JFF.


Blessed Love
(Forum General)
08/25/11 10:54 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Guess with all the noise we're making around here, and the calling for the National top class players and especially the ones, "Born a Foreign" is done only amongst ourselves on this forum.

Because, no journalist have any article in the local newspapers that I have read so far, to indicate that the Jamaican public or anyone for that matter locally, is calling on the JFF or Tappa to bring in our best players available to join the team now.

Let's do this thing early enough and call up our best eligible and available players, so the players can start to build the right chemistry and gel together from now...."Tappa/JFF" if you guys read this forum or get any update from JY from time to time, please listen up and understand that this current crop (or should I say crap lol) of local players won't do it...they can't take us to Brazil 2014 WC." No way...!!! Not at all...!!!
,


CARTER
(Forum General)
08/26/11 07:03 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Blessed love- Good point not sure the urgency has hit the JFF technical people as yet. Nothing they are doing regarding building a team suggest they want to win the fans, sponsors and media on their side muchless get to Brazil. They are waiting to see how far these current players can take us and when we are in a must win situation then they will start recruiting. The sacrifice of traveling to see players and flying in players must be made now.

Klinsman just took the US job and he is on a recruiting role. He is bringing in all the German born players with US connection to fortify is team. Obviously based on the US gol cup performance he knows the current squad will struggle.

Now what is Jamaica doing who has access to more quality players than the US we are recruiting from our failed under 20, and under 23 teams not saying we dont have a few quality players at that level. My feeling we should be recruiting players who will help to take us pass the US, Mexico, CR , HON with ease. Right now I cannot say we can beat Mexico or the US at home or away so we are competing for the 1.5 spot.

It does not look good with the laid back approach that is taking place.


distributor1
(Forum General)
08/26/11 07:37 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: CARTER
Blessed love- Good point not sure the urgency has hit the JFF technical people as yet. Nothing they are doing regarding building a team suggest they want to win the fans, sponsors and media on their side muchless get to Brazil. They are waiting to see how far these current players can take us and when we are in a must win situation then they will start recruiting. The sacrifice of traveling to see players and flying in players must be made now.

Klinsman just took the US job and he is on a recruiting role. He is bringing in all the German born players with US connection to fortify is team. Obviously based on the US gol cup performance he knows the current squad will struggle.

Now what is Jamaica doing who has access to more quality players than the US we are recruiting from our failed under 20, and under 23 teams not saying we dont have a few quality players at that level. My feeling we should be recruiting players who will help to take us pass the US, Mexico, CR , HON with ease. Right now I cannot say we can beat Mexico or the US at home or away so we are competing for the 1.5 spot.

It does not look good with the laid back approach that is taking place.



I agree. With our diaspora of Jamaica-connected players in the U.K. and North America, we are messing up. I watch Senegal constantly calling up players who have Senegalese parents and relatives, but who were born abroad, and who have played for France in age-specific competitions. The same can be said for Morocco and other countries as well.

No one is advocating the formation of a "foreign-born" team to replace our Jamaican-born players, but we need to look far and wide for talent. I was just reading about Paraguay's new manager, Arce, and his recruiting of players who were born in Argentina, but who have at least one Paraguayan parent. We can talk till we are blue in the face, but will the JFF listen?


Ballaprof
(Forum General)
08/26/11 09:29 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Its just the fact guys tappa don't believe in full matured professinonalls, Just because he won a tea cup with the same crop of players he thinks they can win the world cup with dcc squad!! IT WONT AND CAN NEVER WORK TAPPA!! and this squad cannot qualify for the world cup either..

CARTER
(Forum General)
08/26/11 11:08 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Ballaprof- I agree with you as long as you don't think Andy the Bomber and Hue is what the team needs.

Blessed Love
(Forum General)
08/26/11 11:21 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: distributor1
 Originally Posted By: CARTER
Blessed love- Good point not sure the urgency has hit the JFF technical people as yet. Nothing they are doing regarding building a team suggest they want to win the fans, sponsors and media on their side muchless get to Brazil. They are waiting to see how far these current players can take us and when we are in a must win situation then they will start recruiting. The sacrifice of traveling to see players and flying in players must be made now.

Klinsman just took the US job and he is on a recruiting role. He is bringing in all the German born players with US connection to fortify is team. Obviously based on the US gol cup performance he knows the current squad will struggle.

Now what is Jamaica doing who has access to more quality players than the US we are recruiting from our failed under 20, and under 23 teams not saying we dont have a few quality players at that level. My feeling we should be recruiting players who will help to take us pass the US, Mexico, CR , HON with ease. Right now I cannot say we can beat Mexico or the US at home or away so we are competing for the 1.5 spot.

It does not look good with the laid back approach that is taking place.



I agree. With our diaspora of Jamaica-connected players in the U.K. and North America, we are messing up. I watch Senegal constantly calling up players who have Senegalese parents and relatives, but who were born abroad, and who have played for France in age-specific competitions. The same can be said for Morocco and other countries as well.

No one is advocating the formation of a "foreign-born" team to replace our Jamaican-born players, but we need to look far and wide for talent. I was just reading about Paraguay's new manager, Arce, and his recruiting of players who were born in Argentina, but who have at least one Paraguayan parent. We can talk till we are blue in the face, but will the JFF listen?


Carter, I also agree and could not have said it any better, "the sacrifice of traveling to see players and flying in players must be made NOW" the keywords right there is, "sacrifice & now" the JFF and Tappa must surrender their 'big ego' NOW! in order to gain the objective.

While we appreciate what they (the JFF, coaches & players) have done so far, to improve the ranking with local players and all that. We must now come to terms with reality and acknowledge the fact that, YES! they (local players) have somewhat made improvements that relates to their technical and professional capability to learn and play the game better, but with all due respect and regards to their hard work and achievements, we must say thanks to the ones who have shown over and over, that they have reach their full potentials and we 'MUST' now turn our focus over to the real picture, and realize that the time has come to make that dreaded decision, to loose the emotional attachments, that has being developed over the years between players and coaches.

We must get on with business as usual by including all of our best players eligible abroad, (Jamaican-born and also those born a foreign) who can and will take the baton from them and move us, on up to our respectable position and place in this world game. "time is of the essence guys" and remember this, "if you snooze, you loose."

,


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
08/27/11 12:44 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

With the passion displayed here on this site over the R'BOYZ I don't think that sentiment is shared in the Jamaica Diaspora a yard.

We here have easy access to the internet, less economic crisis here than in Jamaica, people a yard for the most part are not sharing in this passion we have for the national team. That's just reality, and the bleak attendance at home games is a testament to that fact.

I say this also because I cannot find one article of a news organization in JA asking the JFF pointedly about players they stated they are looking at in the UK.

Where is the news media's passion?

How come we cannot get info as to the UK players the JFF said they are seeking to add to the squad? It's mind buggling; Jamaica's media coverage of the R'boyz needs step up to international standards.

We have a team ranked 43rd and there is no credible media coverage of the overall team issues & players abroad.

The JFF need to understand that a succesful soccer nation is not without extensive media coverage of everything concerning the team & players. And they wonder why Jamaican fans are ridiculously outnumbered at every away match in the USA where a lot of Jamaicans dwell.

Where is the JFF marketing and PR skills? where is their understanding of how to use the media to expand the popularity of the team & players?

Imagine no one it seems can get any info as to inclusion/exclusion of certain players, whether injured, in contractural talks, this is a joke. We here have to be figuring out these things for ourselves.

You go on the JFF website and it's a yawn.....

THey in Jamaica it seems have only a slight idea of how to bring a national team into the spotlight, with the use of clever marketing of it's players, using the media, attracking "name brand " players (Sturridge, Pennant, etc); and genuine understanding of how to be a part of this information age.

To the JFF i say this: this is the information age; without information you won't keep your fan base because no one will know or understand what you are doing and they get disinterested.

The mere fact the JFF have not gone all out to get, say a Sturridge, a Beckford, Pennant etc. shows they don't understand what a personality as they can have on a team, and to attracting a wider fan base for the R'boyz.

I didn't want to say it but The JFF sitting in their offices in JA, not being exposed on a weekly bases of how football is conducted on the greater world stage are a bit behind the times.

This is not the 1970's where local base players formed the nucleus of national teams, not any more, unless it's a top league of the world. Football has changed as far player selection for club & country.

In club football they "buy" the best players; in national teams just one relative of a certain player belonging to a nation and they send for him especially if that player plays in a top league.

No true football nation is settling they are casting their net far and wide for talented players with any inkling of ther national blood.

Now here comes a 43rd ranked Jamaican team that calls 9 semi-pro players to it's squad to face 2 nations that has not only players from thier superior league to ours, but players from premier league, Serie A, and La Liga on their squad.

THe JFF really needs to adopt world standard football mentality instead of the amateurish stuff that we've being fed all these years.


Ric
(Forum General)
08/27/11 06:34 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

For where Jamaica's squad needs strengthening, which is in the midfield, I just cannot see why the JFF would not issue invitations to:

Darren Pratley(Swansea)
Karl Henry (Wolves)
Daniel Sturridge(Chelsea)

Unless there is something going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of.

The basic squad is a good one, minus a few players that the JFF keep selecting but will truly never make the grade.

With players like Keamar Daley, there is no gamble because his quality is there for all the world to see; with some of the others, the lack of quality is evidently glaring as well.

The Prem players I've listed come up against the best in the world on a weekly basis so only the most unknowledgable of football pundits would claim that there is no disparity in quality with some of the players who do not play at the same level.

Call these players up and give them the option; I would also re-call Marlon King.

Jamaica must be the only footballing nation in the world whose arrogance is so high that the JFF will not follow the proven path of improving their squad with the best players available to them; this, of course, will lead the usually predictable result of failure at the last hurdle to finally break through the barriers that holds Jamaica back from becoming a true top CONCACAF contender.


kirkieb
(Forum General)
08/27/11 09:39 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

There has been discussions of bringing in Everton striker Jermaine Beckford. Has he ever been officially approached to don the ReggaeBoyz jersey?

Skilachi
(Forum General)
08/27/11 10:32 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Really did you get this info from kirkieb?

kirkieb
(Forum General)
08/27/11 06:54 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Skilachi
Really did you get this info from kirkieb?


It has mentioned here by jrgong so time back.
http://www.thereggaeboyz.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=175736


Blessed Love
(Forum General)
08/27/11 09:37 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September


I am starting to believe this statement....

 Originally Posted By: Ballaprof
"Its just the fact guys, tappa don't believe in full matured professionals,"



,


jamatl
(Forum General)
08/28/11 10:21 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Most of the North American based players called up who played the weekend finished injury-free and now only need to navigate their flights to Jamaica. Those in Scandinavia should land by the midweek to join the full team that leaves Jamaica on August 30 in route to Ecuador.

jamatl
(Forum General)
08/29/11 05:18 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

The Jamaican delegation to Quito has been announced. The Reggae Boyz will play Ecuador on September 2, 2011 @4:00pm.



Officials:



Dalton Wint – Head of Delegation
Theodore Whitmore – Head Coach
Alfredo Montesso – Assistant Coach
Andre Waugh – Physical Trainer
Joao Brigatti – Goalkeeper Coach
Dr. Carlton Fraser – Team Doctor
Roy Simpson – Team Manager
Norman Stone – Equipment Manager





Players:

Eric Vernan
Xavian Virgo
Richard Edwards
Keneil Moodie
Montrose Phinn
Andre Vanzie
Richard McCallum
Adrian Reid
Troy Smith
Dwayne Miller
Shavar Thomas
Jermaine Taylor
Omar Cummings
Ryan Johnson
Demar Phillips
Damion Williams
Rudolph Austin
Dane Richards
Je’Vaughn Watson


jamatl
(Forum General)
08/29/11 12:05 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September



pressafoot
(Forum General)
08/29/11 12:15 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Is local Montrose Phinn a central defender?

jamatl
(Forum General)
08/29/11 12:59 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Call-up keeps Toronto FC's Johnson from resting ankle
Jamaican national-team duty falls during two-week break for Reds
August 29, 2011
Larry Millson
MLSsoccer.com



TORONTO — With a two-week break just beginning for Toronto FC, Ryan Johnson could have used the time off to recover from his sprained ankle.

But there will be no such luck for the Reds striker — he will be in Ecuador with the Jamaican national team on Friday for a friendly to prepare for CONCACAF qualifying for the 2014 World Cup. Johnson missed Jamaica's last match, an Aug. 10 friendly against China in Hefei.

“The reason I didn’t go to China, it was too far and the ankle was too freshly injured,” he said. “That was going to be too much for my ankle. This game [against Ecuador], I wish I could rest it for the break with the rest of the guys.”

Johnson picked up the injury during an Aug, 2 CONCACAF Champions League match in Nicaragua against Real Estelí. The injury did not seem to slow him down in that match — he bagged both goals — and though he has been playing on it ever since, he has still been able to play three of TFC’s past four MLS matches and both CCL Group C matches.

The Kingston-born striker has scored five goals in 13 matches with the Reggae Boyz. And though he won't get a chance to rest his ankle, he doesn't begrudge the chance to represent his country.

“It’s always a privilege to represent Jamaica,” the forward said. “It’s fun to see the guys. Ecuador’s a very good team and it’s going to be exciting to go down there and play. I’m going to try to get as healthy as I can. My ankle is still not 100 percent fit and I will try to get as much treatment on it as I can.”


Skilachi
(Forum General)
08/30/11 06:50 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Boyz depart for South American engagements
BY HOWARD WALKER Observer staff reporter walkerh@jamaicaobserver.com
Tuesday, August 30, 2011



THE local-based chapter of the Reggae Boyz were scheduled to leave the island today where they will be engaged in two International friendlies against Ecuador and Colombia on September 2 and 6, respectively.
Seven local-based players — Eric Vernan, Xavian Virgo, Richard Edwards, Keneil Moodie, Montrose Phinn, Richard McCullum and Adrian Reid — were scheduled to leave the island at 6:35 am this morning via Miami and should reach the Ecuadorean capital, Quito by 5:10 pm, where they are expected to be joined by the 10 overseas-based players.
Captain Shavar Thomas, Dwayne Miller, Jermaine Taylor, Omar Cummings, Ryan Johnson, Dane Richards, Demar Phillips, Damion Williams, Rudolph Austin and JeVaughn Watson, will be travelling from the USA and Europe and should be in Quito the very evening as well.
Meanwhile Village United's Troy Smith and newcomer Andrew Vanzie of Portmore United along with fitness trainer Andre Waugh, are scheduled to leave at 6:05 pm via Panama City and should arrive in Quito tomorrow at approximately 1:15 pm.
Jamaica, ranked 43rd by FIFA, are using these games as part of their continued preparations for their World Cup qualifications starting next June.
CONCACAF's World Cup qualification process has already started, but Jamaica, one of the six seeded teams in the confederation, were given a bye into the next round and won't be in action until next year.
Hence, the Captain Horace Burrell-led Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) are making a concerted effort to keep the team active with a series of international friendlies.
Jamaica will play 67th ranked Ecuador on Friday at 4:00 pm Jamaican time before taking on 35th-ranked Colombia in Fort Lauderdale next Tuesday.
Since their participation in the CONCACAF Gold Cup in June, Jamaica played China away on August 10 and lost 0-1.
In a practice game on Sunday, the Boyz were held to a 0-0 draw by Premier League outfit Waterhouse and had their final scheduled training session for Butter Cup Park, Mona, cancelled due to the inclement weather yesterday.
Senior national assistant coach, Brazilian Alfredo Montesso, told the Observer that the two games within four days is aimed at providing more opportunities for the players to improve.
"Every time we play we look for improvement in our players. We want to see every time if we improve the quality of the game," said Montesso.
"We want them to understand our philosophy with the ball possession and all... we have been in camp for the last four days and everything is OK," he added.
President of the Manchester Football Association, Dalton Wint, will be the head of delegation, Roy Simpson manager and Carlton Fraser the team doctor.
Head coach Theodore Whitmore, his assistant Montesso, fitness trainer Waugh, Brazilian goalkeeper coach Joao Brigatti and equipment manager Norman Stone complete the delegation.
The group is expected back in Jamaica on September 7.


Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Boy...1#ixzz1WWIS0hTZ


chito2k10
(Forum General)
08/30/11 01:24 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

IT look like H.View find its next player on the overseas bound since Decoy?Them keep busting them out.Troy Smith return from Bronx?lol!Wish the Boyz luck.
Nice to see some players taking up the invitation unlike the China game.


jamatl
(Forum General)
08/30/11 04:03 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

The key to this match is starting with 11 and finishing with 11.

Chasing the Ecuadorians in the altitude with 10 or less men is no fun!!!


jamatl
(Forum General)
08/30/11 05:33 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Reggae Boyz off for friendly against Ecuador

The nine local based players in the 19-member Reggae Boyz squad for the upcoming friendly against Ecuador are scheduled to leave Jamaica on Tuesday, August 30 for Quito, the capital of the South American country.

The Jamaicans, who will also play Colombia in Florida, had a goal-less draw against Waterhouse in a practice game against water house on Sunday, August 28.

Under-23 mid fielder Andre Vanzie of Portmore United and Troy Smith of Village United will only be considered for the game against Ecuador on September 2.

They will be replaced by Errol Stevens of Arnett Gardens and Ewan Gordon of Portmore for the September 6 friendly against Colombia at the Lockhart Stadium in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

Lovell Palmer and Jason Morrison will also be available for the game against Colombia


Skilachi
(Forum General)
08/31/11 01:04 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Does anyone remember if Valencia played against us in 2009 when we played Ecuador in the States

jamatl
(Forum General)
08/31/11 01:32 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Reggae Boyz arrive in ECUADOR
August 31, 2011 | Filed underArticles,Jamaica National Teams,National News,News,Teams | Posted by JamFedadmin

The proposed squad to Ecuador has arrived with the exception of Shavar Thomas, Troy Smith, Andrew Vanzie and Jermaine Taylor.

Both Troy Smith and Andrew Vanzie are expected to arrive in Ecuador by 2:00 pm today and Shavar Thomas is expected arrive sometime tonight. Jermaine Taylor is currently in Jamaica attending to work permit issues, expect more information on his progress.





By tonight the squad will contain the following members:

Eric Vernan
Xavian Virgo
Richard Edwards
Keneil Moodie
Montrose Phinn
Andre Vanzie
Richard McCallum
Adrian Reid
Troy Smith
Dwayne Miller
Shavar Thomas
Omar Cummings
Ryan Johnson
Demar Phillips
Damion Williams
Rudolph Austin
Dane Richards
Je’Vaughn Watson


theworm2345
(Forum General)
08/31/11 01:56 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Skilachi
Does anyone remember if Valencia played against us in 2009 when we played Ecuador in the States

Nope
http://caribbeanfootballdatabase.com/matches/2009/ecuadorvsjamaica8122009.html


pressafoot
(Forum General)
08/31/11 02:23 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Will you be uploading this one?

Skilachi
(Forum General)
08/31/11 02:51 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Ok is he in the squad for this match?

theworm2345
(Forum General)
08/31/11 03:11 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: pressafoot
Will you be uploading this one?

I assume you're talking to me, I'll try but I'll be more focused on the Qualifiers.


pressafoot
(Forum General)
09/01/11 12:12 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: theworm2345
 Originally Posted By: pressafoot
Will you be uploading this one?

I assume you're talking to me, I'll try but I'll be more focused on the Qualifiers.


Ecuador is a South American side playing at home.

Jamaica is a work in progress Team that is improving.

Always good to see new local players. Better to see them perform well. But you will never know unless give him a try.

I do not believe Morrison is playing.

I imagine he is trying to gather his pieces come qualifiers.

Curious as to how the he goes about it.


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/01/11 05:44 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Boyz toil through rarified air in Quito

HOWARD WALKER with the REGGAE BOYZ IN QUITO, ECUADOR

Thursday, September 01, 2011

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THE Reggae Boyz toiled through the rarified air in Quito, Ecuador yesterday as they completed their first training session at the La Casa Seleccion FIFA Gold Project facility.

Although the effect of the high altitude was not as severe as in Toluca, Mexico, several players complained of headache during the hour-and-a-half-long training session.




[Hide Description] Omar Cummings (second right) looks for a pass as the Reggae Boyz play hand ball during a training session yesterday in Quito. Looking on are fitness trainer Andrew Waugh (left), Monthrose Phinn and Keneil Moodie (right). (Photo: Howard Walker)
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Team physician Dr Carlton “Pee Wee” Fraser said the players coped better than he expected.

“It’s not the most ideal in terms of warmth as the weather is in the 60s and in this rarified air, I think they did very well,” he said.

“Their enthusiasm and their whole attitude were impressive in this environmental condition,” he noted.

With the game against Ecuador set for tomorrow at 4:00 pm here, the Jamaicans trained at the identical time and were given a clear idea what the conditions will be like that day — windy and cold.

Nevertheless, they were put through their early paces by fitness trainer Andre Waugh, who arrived in Quito a few hours earlier.

Newcomer Andrew Vanzie of Portmore United and Village United’s Troy Smith also arrived yesterday and participated in the session.

It was a lively session, despite the conditions, and it was also clear head coach Theodore Whitmore was placing an emphasis on defending crosses from both flanks.

With captain Shavar Thomas and central defensive partner Jermaine Taylor failing to arrive in time for training, Adrian Reid, Keneil Moodie and Montrose Phinn had to deal with a series of crosses, and they did well.

“Today’s training was very progressive. We looked at a number of things going into the game... The last couple games we played our defence never coped too well and it was something we had to look at going forward. But I’m very pleased with how they progressed,” said Whitmore.

The Reggae Boyz will have another training session today (Thursday) before taking on Ecuador tomorrow.

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Boyz-toil-through-rarified-air-in-Quito#ixzz1WhjLBSWK


Ballaprof
(Forum General)
09/01/11 07:51 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

JAMAICA B-Team!!!!! waste of money and Time Jamaica will never learn that all we do experiment until the last moment we call up the real professionals same thing downswell did lost his job, same thin simoes did lost his job also, Tappa your next in line u little dunse head coach!!!!!

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/01/11 10:06 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Jamaica plays Ecuador, LIVE and EXCLUSIVE
September 1, 2011 | Filed underArticles,Fixtures,Jamaica National Teams,National News,News,Teams | Posted by JamFedadmin

The Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) has granted EXCLUSIVE rights to Television Jamaica (TVJ) to broadcast the Ecuador vs Jamaica match LIVE.

The match will be played on Friday at the Estadio Olímpico Atahualpa @ 4:00pm(Jamaican and Ecuadorian time), TVJ will be airing the match LIVE at the same time.
Comments


chito2k10
(Forum General)
09/01/11 01:50 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Will CVM be showing any delayed showing of the game later that evening or nite?

SamtheMan!!
(Forum General)
09/01/11 02:14 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

lol, chito come on man. which part of exclusive rights u nuh fully ovastand lol...

http://www.televisionjamaica.com/LiveTV.aspx

jus try da link deh 5pm 2morrow and cross ur fingers, better yet if ur able to try the link at say around 2 so as to piggy back through the rest of the evenings programming. sometimes when you get on early transmission isn't interrupted.


Andy
(Forum General)
09/01/11 02:54 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Can someone on the forum tape this game and upload it like the games in the Gold Cup?

I miss the upload game Jamaica vs. Honduras and Jamaica vs. USA.


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/01/11 09:39 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

EricD as far as we've heard the individual probably with the questionably commitment/attitude toward Jamaica is Jermaine Pennant. I wish this is not true but it's what we've heard thou he hasn't said anything public.

Unless it's expressed before hand the JJF won't know who's not committed until they pursue these prospects.

Imagine a Dean Sturridge expressing how much he loves Jamaica and travels there any free time he gets, this is opportunity begging to be seized.

Sturridge did say that if England come calling he would respond; but I believe if the JFF armed with great vision for the future and present a credible product to Sturridge, who knows what could happen.

The JFF is not proactive enough. Jamaica is in a very unique situation at this time where so many quality players are available to us, and it seems they don't know how to go about this.

When was the Last time Burrel himself went to England on a fact finding mission, to personally meet/talk and shake hands with players that's high on the list? This is too important a situation for Burrel to leave to members of his staff to handle and deal with by themselves.

I can name 5 players right now that if I was in charge of the JFF that in the off season in England I would arrange a friendly (on a FIFA match day).

Afterwards arrange some kind of banquet, having all the important football dignataries associate with Jamaican football present: Allan 'skill' Cole, John Barnes, Robbie Earl, Fitzroy Simpson, Frank Sinclair, Deon Burton (you 'ites knows these local players more than I)etc.

I would invite first and foremost Dean Sturridge, Chris Humphries, Darren Pratley, Zavon Hines, Jermaine Beckford, & yes Jermaine Pennant; plus other players in England who have already stated they want to play for Jamaica.

I would lay out a comprehensive plan for the future; but start out by looking back, using slides & old footages recalling the greats in Jamaican football.

I would impress upon them our football legacy; the '98 WC included, Pele coming to Jamaica, & statements Brazilians coaches said about our football); our love of football.

Letting them know we are in a unique situation where our rankings are the best since '98 WC. That so many EPL players are available to us unlike any other era.

I would use the argument to say John Barnes who played for England, a star at that time had to play for England and not Jamaica. That Jamaica football weren't in a place to accomodate a player of the stature of John Barnes. But today that has change.

We now possess not only the stature, but we have now putting in place a more professional football infrastructure in Jamaica. Thou modest, we are making it mandatory for coaches to have licences, etc. And the results of this we have more local base players coming through getting contracts abroad.

That he, Burrell is now acting President of the Caribbean football Union (something of that sort). That the JFF is adhering to international standards of football locally and foreign, and each player will be treated professionally unlike the miscues of the past.

I would show clips of that impressive qualifying run to the '98 cup with Fitsroy Simpson running our defensive middle, Deon Burton etc.

I would also show them clips of our Carribean championship, and also show them clip of our Triumph over Honduras in GCC, and let them see where our weakness lies with clips from the USA match. I would impress upon Sturridge & Pennant that if we had them in the middle of our pitch we would possible come away with a result from the USA match.

I believe if Burrell committs himself to a comprehensive plan to attract the very best in England we'll come away with a few.

Personally my mind would be on the 2 biggest fish in the room and that would be Sturridge & Pennant.

I believe If we could get these 2 to committ to Jamaica, then it will be a dominoe effect for others who are lesser talent than them.

This is what the JFF urgently need to understand that if you ketch the big fish then the smaller fish will fall too. Landing Sturridge alone can cause a dominoe effect.

Believe me 'ites if Sturridge & Pennant stand up in our midfield we'll very hard to beat in Concacaf; and this is what BURRELL would need to impressed vehemently upon the UK 'ites.

Whatever financial sacrifice (more so investment) to be made to make this possible will no doubt come back in great returns when we land these respected professionals and we start beating good teams.

The Day when Jamaica is realisticly capable of beating the USA or Mexico is the day when the Jamaican crowds come back to the stands.

The JFF has to come with a credible football plan for the future inclusive of all local base and foreign base.

We have to build from the top (uninvited UK base) down as well from the bottom (local Base) up.

Without the JFF taking this kind, or a similar approach to our foreign base, their idea of being a consistent top 3 side in concacaf is nothing more than a joke.

Bwoy i'm really feeling this......


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/01/11 10:14 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

I know what i'm suggesting here is a bold step.

It's actually retinking step on part of the JFF of how they can launch this Jamaica football into a new spotlight.

It would takes courage to implement an approach such as this, where you don't know what the outcome will be.

Does Burrell rate the English Premier League highly, does he thinks an influx of EPL players can significantly affect concacaf hierarchy? we are not sure.

The way i see it, if gold is within reach, accessable at limited cost which could provide great returns if invested in, who would not launch out and acquire knowing that the rewards outweighs the risk?

The ownness is on Burrell not Tappa. He's the big man at top making the decisions. He's responsible for the direction of Jamaica football not Tappa.

There has to be a new thinking toward the English base, becuase there so much quality there and without a plan things don't get done.

With so many players involved it's not enough for a JFF official to just sit in an office, on a computer trying to make sense of who they are go after. To me this is a poor man's approach.

When the JFF were trying to establish links in Brazil they use all the diplomacy, former coaches to puls strings, spend money and now they have good relations with football organizations in Brazil. Do they think it will take a lesser approach to attract the very best of EPL players, and even those we don't know about? I think not.

Some strings need to be pulled here, some diplomacy, some former greats in England need to be on board. I believe we have not utilize John Barnes to our potential.

Burrell really need to step up his game here and put on his thinking cap if he expects Jamaica football to come out of mediocrity into top 3 Concacaf spotlight.


Skilachi
(Forum General)
09/01/11 10:26 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Jamaica's starting 11

Dwayne Miller, Adrian Reid, Shavar Thomas, Keneil Moodie, Xavian Virgo, Eric Vernon, Rudolph Austin, Damion Williams, Dane Richards, Demar Phillips, Omar Cummings

Jamaica will be applying the use of a 4-5-1 formation


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/01/11 10:35 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Did Jermaine Taylor make it down to Quito?

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/01/11 10:36 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Skilachi
Jamaica's starting 11

Dwayne Miller, Adrian Reid, Shavar Thomas, Keneil Moodie, Xavian Virgo, Eric Vernon, Rudolph Austin, Damion Williams, Dane Richards, Demar Phillips, Omar Cummings

Jamaica will be applying the use of a 4-5-1 formation


As stern test for the backline in Quito!!!


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/01/11 11:34 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Let me say this, I do respect what BURRELL has meant to Jamaica football, past and present. After all he has led us to being the English speaking Caribbean team to it's first world Cup. These achievements by Burrels cannot, in any shape form or fashion be viewed than being our greatest achievements in world sports; and For that we give him credit.

In view of that I would say to Burrell there is greater grounds to be taken. Sometimes great achievements in one's past could be an hindrance for the future.

The recognition that Burrell had in our qualifiers for the '98 campaign that they need quality in our midfield and in strike position, i'm not sure if Burrell is seeing the same thing today.

Yes we do have quality in the MLS on this side of the pond and in scandinavia, good enough to compete equally with the COSTA RICA'S, HONDURAS, PANAMA.... But this may trick us into thinking we are a top 3 team. And I think the hesitation toward the UK base may have more to do with the little success we have had in the previous GCC.

To me we are not the no. 3 team in Concacaf even though our ranking suggest that. To me Panama deserve that namesake.

We are not better than Panama, Honduras & Costa Rica. When these teams figured out a way to beat us like the USA we are done.

To me we have struck football "OIL" in England right now. Can somebody tell me what a team consisting of these midfileders do in ConCaCaf?

STURRIDGE
BIBI
PENNANT
DANE RICHARDS
DARREN PRATLEY
KEAMAR DALEY
JASON MORRISON
DAMION WILLIAMS

and the strike position looking like this:

RICARDO FULLER
CUMMINGS
CHRIS HUMPRIES
JERMAINE BECKFORD
RYAN JOHNSON
LUTON SHELTON

I'm not leaving out DEAMAR PHILLIPS, I would use him at left back and AUSTIN at stopper.

A side like this has depth, to withstand anything from ConCaCaf.

And of-course for further depth, there is:

JEVAUGHN WATSON,
OMAR DALEY,
ERIC VERNAN,
ZAVON HINES,
ADRIAN REID,
DICOY WILLIAMS ETC.


Burrell & Tappa has to put something like this down on paper and go after this kind of lineup. Unless they are thinking like this as oppose to which local base they can bust we are not going to Brazil.

The local base need to work hard for themselves and not think their way out is the R'BOYZ. Keamar and others did not get a bly toward contract abroad, it was their hard work put in, dominating the local league, getting called and the contract followed.

It wasn'T the R'BOYZ which cause KEAMAR to get a contract abroad, no it was his hard work on his game. The local base need to be challenged in their thinking that the R'BOYZ is not their ticket out. It's their hard work on their game is their ticket.

JEVAUGH WATSON barely playing for the R'BOYZ made it without being a regular fixture on the R'BOYZ.

BURRELL need to stop thinking he's responsible for the local base success. He's responsible yes to have a quality professional league, coaches and infrastrature, but that's where it stops.

Whoever aspire to make the R'BOYZ squad shouldn't be an easy thing anymore, that they need to work harder to make this squad.

BURRELL has to set the football bar for the R'BOYZ higher, but i'm not convince yet that BURRELL has these things in mind....


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 05:41 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: jamatl
Did Jermaine Taylor make it down to Quito?


Taylor out as Boyz face Ecuador

HOWARD WALKER with the REGGAE BOYZ IN QUITO, ECUADOR

Friday, September 02, 2011

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QUITO, Ecuador — Jermaine Taylor will be missing from the starting line-up as the Reggae Boyz go into battle against Ecuador in an international friendly today at 4:00 pm (Jamaican time) at Estadio Olimpico Atahualpa Stadium.

Taylor, who is a crucial component of the defence, was unable to make the trip as he has an appointment with the US Embassy in Kingston concerning visa issues which have been hampering him during his travels with US Major League team Houston Dynamo.



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That problem caused Taylor embarrassment as he was detained in Canada following Houston Dynamo's match against Vancouver Whitecaps on August 27.

His spot in the team will be taken by Keneil Moodie who will partner captain Shavar Thomas and Adrian Reid in a three-man backline in coach Theodore Whitmore's 3-4-2-1 formation.

The midfield will comprise Demar Phillips, Xavean Virgo of Boys' Town on the flanks, Rudolph Austin and Damion Williams as the holding midfielders.

New York Red Bulls' Dane Richards and Houston Dynamo's JeVaughn Watson will play right behind lone striker Omar Cummings of Colorado Rapids.

Dwayne Miller gets the nod in goal ahead of Richard McCullum. Toronto FC striker Ryan Johnson, nursing an ankle injury, will be on the bench but should get some minutes if needed.

Jamaica are preparing for next year's FIFA World Cup qualifications and coming off a 0-1 loss to China in August, Whitmore is expecting a continuation of the teams' recent progress.

"This is just a continuation from the Gold Cup in terms of our ball possession and how we organise the team. Again, it gives our strikers a chance to show their skills and do some finishing," said Whitmore.

Ball possession will be the key and Whitmore will not be tampering with his formation. Well, not yet, depending on the opponent.

"Come tomorrow we expect a good performance from the team and the result can come after. It's still a work in progress. We have our World Cup qualification kick-off next year, so these games are very important," he reiterated.

Not much is known of the Ecuador squad, but it will be one without dangerous winger Antonio Valencia of Manchester United and striker Felipe Caicedo, formerly of Manchester City, now in Russia with Lokomotiv Moscow.

Ecuador, alongside Chile and Venezuela, is one of only three South American countries not to have won the Copa America. They will be using local-based players, in addition to eight players plying their trade in the Mexican league.

The last time they played Jamaica — in 2009 in New Jersey — the game finished 0-0, and the 67th-ranked South Americans, fresh from a 2-0 win over Costa Rica, will be bubbling with confidence and should prove worth competitors against the Reggae Boyz, ranked No 43.

For Ecuador, this is a crucial encounter as they will be involved in South American World Cup qualification in a month's time, on October 5.

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Taylor-out-as-Boyz-face-Ecuador_9589666#ixzz1WnYobBVM


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 05:51 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Ecuador-Boyz friendly on today
Published: Friday | September 2, 2011 0 Comments

Jamaica's senior footballers will take on South American team Ecuador in a friendly international match today at the Estadio Olimpico Atahualpa Stadium, starting at 4 p.m. (Jamaica time).

The Theodore 'Tappa' Whitmore-coached squad, which includes nine local-based players, arrived in Quito, Ecuador, on Tuesday ahead of today's much-anticipated clash.

Among the local-based players in the squad is first-time invitee André Vanzie, who represents Portmore United in the Premier League.

The 21-year-old Vanzie, a past student of the Garvey Maceo High School, is a member of the Jamaica Under-23 team which failed to qualify for next year's Olympic Games.

Captain Shavar Thomas was expected to join up with the team on Wednesday while defender Jermaine Taylor, who plies his trade with Major League Soccer team Houston Dynamo, did not make the trip as he is currently in the island getting a work permit.

Eric Vernan, Xavian Virgo, Richard Edwards, Keneil Moodie, Montrose Phinn, Richard McCallum, Adrian Reid, Troy Smith and Dwyane Miller are the other local-based players in the squad.

The overseas-based players are Omar Cummings, Ryan Johnson, Demar Phillips, Damion Williams, Rodolph Austin, Dane Richards and Je'Vaughn Watson. The Ecuadorians are currently ranked 66th in the world.

The Jamaicans will travel to Fort Lauderdale after the match, where they will oppose another South American country, Colombia, in a friendly international on September 6. The Reggae Boyz, who are ranked 43rd by FIFA, were beaten 1-0 by China in their last friendly encounter last month.


distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 05:55 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Ah, we caught a break as Valencia and Caicedo will not be playing. I knew that Valencia had not recovered fully from that ankle injury, but I had expected that Caicedo would play. That said, the future for the Boyz looks dark if we will be using players such as Keneil Moodie and Xavean Virgo as we go forward. I won't bother to flog that horse that I and many others have been flogging about widening the gene pool to improve squad depth, but...

Ballaprof
(Forum General)
09/02/11 07:40 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

This sqaud is very week and cannot beat Equador.... If we can't beat china with this B-Team why tappa still using them!!!!

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 09:58 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Keys to winning this match and yes, we can win in Quito.

Start with 11 and end with 11,Control the midfield early, get the touches and passing going and release the speed on the flanks.


Also, Cummings is also an outstanding playmaker from the top, get him touches near the penalty box.


pelepapa
(Forum General)
09/02/11 11:38 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: distributor1
Ah, we caught a break as Valencia and Caicedo will not be playing. I knew that Valencia had not recovered fully from that ankle injury, but I had expected that Caicedo would play. That said, the future for the Boyz looks dark if we will be using players such as Keneil Moodie and Xavean Virgo as we go forward. I won't bother to flog that horse that I and many others have been flogging about widening the gene pool to improve squad depth, but...


You caught a break? So what you assume will happen if the 'Boyz pull off a result because of a depleted Ecuador team? And what if JA catch another break against Colombia?

The break you think you are catching now in these meaningless games might come back to haunt you when it counts the most, as the JFF might use any positive result to cement these players on the squad.

If I was Jamaican and disappointed with the continued team selection I would be praying for blow-out losses in these games. I know Ballaprof is looking forward to blow-out losses in these games. ;\)


preszy4life
(Member)
09/02/11 12:17 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

The Jamaica Football Federation (JFF) has granted EXCLUSIVE rights to Television Jamaica (TVJ) to broadcast the Ecuador vs Jamaica match LIVE.

The match will be played on Friday at the Estadio Olímpico Atahualpa @ 4:00pm(Jamaican and Ecuadorian time), TVJ will be airing the match LIVE at the same time.


ted
(Member)
09/02/11 12:51 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

online tvj ??

Fire-Red
(Junior Member)
09/02/11 01:23 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

You all need to be patient. Big ballas only show up when it counts.
WCQ start next year for Jamaica. We still need to look at our local players to find a diamond or two in the rough. Give the youths a chance because it will get tight next year.


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/02/11 01:27 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: pelepapa
 Originally Posted By: distributor1
Ah, we caught a break as Valencia and Caicedo will not be playing. I knew that Valencia had not recovered fully from that ankle injury, but I had expected that Caicedo would play. That said, the future for the Boyz looks dark if we will be using players such as Keneil Moodie and Xavean Virgo as we go forward. I won't bother to flog that horse that I and many others have been flogging about widening the gene pool to improve squad depth, but...


You caught a break? So what you assume will happen if the 'Boyz pull off a result because of a depleted Ecuador team? And what if JA catch another break against Colombia?

The break you think you are catching now in these meaningless games might come back to haunt you when it counts the most, as the JFF might use any positive result to cement these players on the squad.

If I was Jamaican and disappointed with the continued team selection I would be praying for blow-out losses in these games. I know Ballaprof is looking forward to blow-out losses in these games. ;\)


Pele, for our ranking sake I don't want us to loose; not that kind of pressure.

What we need as Distrib & I has alluded to is quality and in depth media coverage to put pressure on the JFF, exposing their lack of.

Media asking the tough questions, instead of settling for answers like: "we are using 9 local base to expose them"

The JFF is focusing on exposing local base as oppose to building a formidable team with all it's parts here and abroad. This is a "Mom & Pop" business mentality.

Burrell and the JFF is trying to do the role of agents.

Our FIFA friendlies are not for the purpose of exposing players. Friendlies are for the seniors, new players and few of the locals worthy of a call up to get a look while forming a nucleus of players. The JFF got this all wrong.

Which top football nation in ConCaCaf chose players for the main reason of exposing them for potential contracts? none. =

We need media outlets perceptive enough to see through all this nonsense the JFF is doing in the name of building a football team.

We need for hard questions to be asked; why invite local base who are really not dominant in the premier league? Though I Like EDWARDS why keep inviting him if he's not shown he's capable of starting with so many chances given? We have to get tougher and make courageous decisions.

I think the JFF over the years has being duped based on conversations in the media and overseas regarding the local base not be forgatten because of the foreign base. To me if a player proves his worth should be called, that was to be the answer. But the JFF, like they are on some kind of guilt trip thinking it's their duty to bust players; to give the yutes a chance.

The yute will get a chance on the back of his hard work, plus his above standard showing in the premier league. The R'BOYZ is not a welfare club.

Yes, local base and foreign has to be put into its proper perspective. It's not all the same; a player in the English Prenier league is not the same in Jamaica premier league.

Counting 2 years we've known of players in the Premier league and championship and we're shock there had not being one invite
from the JFF. And they wants us to think they believe Jamaica's football success.

I believe it when I see it....


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/02/11 01:38 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Fire-Red
You all need to be patient. Big ballas only show up when it counts.
WCQ start next year for Jamaica. We still need to look at our local players to find a diamond or two in the rough. Give the youths a chance because it will get tight next year.


FR, if you are thinking in terms of say KEAMAR who just signed with PRESTON, before we didn't have to give KEAMAR anything.

KEAMAR proved he was worthy of a call up.

HE WASN'T GIVEN ANYTHING HE DIDN'T DESERVE....

My point: don't call up local personel not deserving of it while at the same time neglecting players who has proven themselves playing championship and premier league ball in the top league of this world...


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 01:50 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Stop di quarreling, match soon start!!!! Cho!!!



G Dawg
(Forum General)
09/02/11 01:58 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

can someone post a link please to watch it?

theworm2345
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:03 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: G Dawg
can someone post a link please to watch it?

Several links here
http://rojadirecta.es/


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:03 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

National anthems done

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:04 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

One again all Shavar Thomas have to exchange is a nice Colgate smile. \:\)

preszy4life
(Member)
09/02/11 02:04 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

link non english


http://www.oleoletv.com/watch/live/strea...vs-jamaica.html


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:05 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Stadium empty in Quito

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:08 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Game start

theworm2345
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:08 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

OK I got it recording but I'm not sure how reliable the stream is. Someone might cap it in Italy though as its on live there.

EDIT: Nevermind its messed up.

EDIT2: Got a new one (no first 9 minutes), hope it works


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:13 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

0-0 after 6 min

Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:13 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: jamatl
One again all Shavar Thomas have to exchange is a nice Colgate smile. \:\)


Jamatl wa link U have


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:14 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Jamaica in Green , Ecuador in Yellow

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:18 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

starting to put some passes together but final third is lacking early

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:22 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Ecuador has some strong man pon di field, man look like steel iyah

JaggaAdministrator
(Moderator)
09/02/11 02:22 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Jamaica backline is going to get burned later in the game.

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:23 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Between both starting 11s, pure black man a ball....is a Pan African ting right now

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:24 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

We definitely DO NOT have a physical or athletic advantage in this match.

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:25 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Whoa dat from Austin, a successful no look, back heel pass....hmmmmm

Ric
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:26 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

6 misplaced passes and a clear penalty not given to Ecuador, all in the space of 5 minutes...I wouldnt waste time watching this.

If this si the Jamaica side that Burrell and Tappa waan, dem let them have it...mi have betta things to do with my time than watch this shiittte


LINCOLN
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:26 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September


JAMAICA VS ECUADOR LIVE
http://channelsurfing.ws/livee.php?v=eve...emid%3D327.html

19 MINUTES GONE...


LINCOLN
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:28 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September


1-0 AFTER 22 MINUTES....


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:28 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

1-0 Ecuador after 20 min.

Demar Phillips got beaten for pace on the wing, cross into the box and goal for Ecuador.


JaggaAdministrator
(Moderator)
09/02/11 02:28 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Sloppy defending

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:29 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Goal Jaime Ayovi

LINCOLN
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:31 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September


IS DEMAR PHILLIPS PLAYING MIDFIELD OR LEFT BACK?


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:35 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Left Back.

Dwayne Miller just saved a breakaway chance.

We need to switch to a 4 man backline ASAP.


JaggaAdministrator
(Moderator)
09/02/11 02:36 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Just like I predicted. The defense is going to get burned. We were lucky it is not 2 love

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:38 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Our backline is getting exposed

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:40 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Jagga
Just like I predicted. The defense is going to get burned. We were lucky it is not 2 love


Ecuador has the pace to match and even beat our backline.


Tactical change needed.


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:46 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Austin loose the ball in midfield resulted in the goal 2-0

JaggaAdministrator
(Moderator)
09/02/11 02:47 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Backline push up too far and crowding the midfield then they have to chase back

distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:48 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

2-0. Jamatl, are you happy that this "strong" team is doing so well? What will you Tappa and Burrell talk about at the next meeting?

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:49 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

We are really missing Jason Morrison

JaggaAdministrator
(Moderator)
09/02/11 02:49 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Dawg nawm wi suppa

LINCOLN
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:49 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September


6-0 ANYONE?


LINCOLN
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:52 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September


How many times do I have to tell you guys about this overlappinbg wing back stuff? This approach is best used against little Caribbean minnows........Good teams will cut us to shreds!!


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:53 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Chucho Benitez wid a wicked freekick 3-0 Ecuador

Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:53 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Hamilton Israel
Austin loose the ball in midfield resulted in the goal 2-0


now its 3-0 ecuador...


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:53 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

3-0 at the half

ted
(Member)
09/02/11 02:54 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

lawddddd gaddddddd jamaican team

ted
(Member)
09/02/11 02:54 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

this is joke thing tappa yuh [censored] fool eehhh

chito2k10
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:55 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

YOW!!!A STRAIGHT BEATING STICK THING DIS!!!UNU WANT MI BUY 3 TICKET FI GO WATCH COLUMBIA EMBARASS MI COUNTRY?GROW UP BURRELL AND TAPPA!!

distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:56 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: LINCOLN

6-0 ANYONE?


Depends on whether they take their foot off the pedal, or if they invoke the mercy rule. What a disgrace! We could have been down by five.

But, hey, we don't need no "foreign" ballers, because JA produces as many top ballers as any top football country.


JaggaAdministrator
(Moderator)
09/02/11 02:57 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

We can kiss away any chance of going to Brazil with this bunch. I hope after this Burrell will stop the contract BS that he is holding players to and bring the real ballers

LINCOLN
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:57 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

PEOPLE, PEOPLE....DO YOU BELIEVE ME NOW?

LEAVE THE RENE SIMOES PLAY BOOK ALONE!!!

REAL TEAMS WILL CHOP YOU UP AND DICE YOU UP PEOPLE!!

YOU NEED FIT, DISCIPLINED PLAYERS TO PLAY OVERLAPPING ANYTHING!!!

HALF THE PLAYERS IN THE SQUAD HAVE NOT IDEA WHAT THEIR RESPECTIVE ROLES ARE WHEN EITHER THE LEFT BACK OR THE RIGHT BACK MOVES UP INTO AN ATTACKING ROLE!!!


FOR THE REST OF THE GAME PLEASE FOCUS ON YOUR OVERLAPPERS AND THE FOLKS WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE COVER WHEN THEY MOVE FORWARD!!

Have fun folks!! This is exactly what friendlies are for.......


SamtheMan!!
(Forum General)
09/02/11 02:58 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Poor team, technically weak. Virgo and Austin guilty of giving balls away in dangerous positions. When that guy blew by Demar for the goal not one soul was tracking back from midfield to stop the opposing Ecuadorian runners.

I dunno what Austin still doing on this team! He loses the ball the most and his ability to cover defensively is suspect. Shavar flippin' around like a blasted donkey and holding inconsistent lines while Ecuador throwing balls over our heads, luckily Miller staved off a few certain goals. Add to that the back three being pulled out off shape and look ragid and constantly outnumbered, Tappa look clueless.

If I were Cummings, Richards, Phillips et al I would demand the inclusion of more professionals in the squad. This is a blasted joke!


kirkieb
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:02 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Where is the progress from the Gold Cup... This side nuh ready yet to rasta far I.
We are lucky the score line is still 3-0. Do we have a backup keeper on the bench... Miller lucky he's still on the field. He should have gotten a straight red.


Ballaprof
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:07 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

DCC Squad cannot qualify the reggaeboyz to brazil!!! tired to tell u guys, EXPERIMENTS WON'T WORK!!! These set of guys cannot play.....

Blessed Love
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:10 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

None a dem links yah naa wuk fi iNi....sumaddy gimme a gud link nuh iyah...?

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:10 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

English comentary

http://www.lshunter.tv/index.php?option=...opup&Itemid=327


Ballaprof
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:14 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

What happen to the Kappa gears or it is Jamaica B-Team Gears???? two match now in those ugly things...

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:14 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Austin nuh stop gi weh de ball

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:15 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

4-0 love to [censored]

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:16 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

4 love to shit

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:16 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

so r a s s cencored but shit is not. Jagga and admin deal with dat

distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:16 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

4-0. So easy. Like a hot knife through butter.

Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:16 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Hamilton Israel
 Originally Posted By: Hamilton Israel
Austin loose the ball in midfield resulted in the goal 2-0


now its 3-0 ecuador...


4-0

I can hear the excuse from Burrell now, oh it's the altitude....


JaggaAdministrator
(Moderator)
09/02/11 03:18 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

The team never drink them milo

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:18 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

why is the defence so open, they are in altitude, so they obviously cannot run with them so why is the game so open? Tappa, whey yu a do?

LINCOLN
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:18 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September



DO I NEED TO REPEAT?

ANY TAKERS?

6-0 anyone?


distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:20 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Poor coaching, playing and preparation, but the excuses will fly, not least from Jamatl.

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:21 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Finally something to cheer about

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:21 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

4-1 cummings

distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:22 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Lincoln, you'll have to revise that score now that we have one.

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:23 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

The passing is frustrating to watch. Why dem can't just play a simple pass accurately?

distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:29 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Demar should have been sent off for that. Lucky boy!

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:30 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

5-1

distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:30 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

5-1. Free header in the box. TAPPA and his boys.

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:30 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

free header six yards out, from a standing position. Where is the marking?

LINCOLN
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:30 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: distributor1
Lincoln, you'll have to revise that score now that we have one.


They took their foot off the pedal? ;\)


Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:32 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

5-2. what a goal Jamaica

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:32 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Looks like Demar

distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:33 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Two of the only "players" on the team, Cummings and Demar. two goals.

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:33 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

yup, demar with a sweet left foot strike from just outside the box

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:33 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: distributor1
Two of the only "players" on the team, Cummings and Demar. two goals.


The two of them combining for the goal as well


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:35 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

toying with Jamaica

enlighten
(Member)
09/02/11 03:35 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

From I saw the lineup I knew there was a good reason I had no interest in watching and somehow I don't think this "arsene" style wake up call will have the same effect on the powers that be in Jamaica in terms of squad selection...

pelepapa
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:39 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Hamilton Israel
 Originally Posted By: pelepapa
 Originally Posted By: distributor1
Ah, we caught a break as Valencia and Caicedo will not be playing. I knew that Valencia had not recovered fully from that ankle injury, but I had expected that Caicedo would play. That said, the future for the Boyz looks dark if we will be using players such as Keneil Moodie and Xavean Virgo as we go forward. I won't bother to flog that horse that I and many others have been flogging about widening the gene pool to improve squad depth, but...


You caught a break? So what you assume will happen if the 'Boyz pull off a result because of a depleted Ecuador team? And what if JA catch another break against Colombia?

The break you think you are catching now in these meaningless games might come back to haunt you when it counts the most, as the JFF might use any positive result to cement these players on the squad.

If I was Jamaican and disappointed with the continued team selection I would be praying for blow-out losses in these games. I know Ballaprof is looking forward to blow-out losses in these games. ;\)


Pele, for our ranking sake I don't want us to loose; not that kind of pressure.

What we need as Distrib & I has alluded to is quality and in depth media coverage to put pressure on the JFF, exposing their lack of.

Media asking the tough questions, instead of settling for answers like: "we are using 9 local base to expose them"



Eh? Weh HI and Distributor alluded to? I could have sworn seh a mi bring it up. You must have missed it, because until I changed the narrative everybody was a cuss Tappa, which really mek no sense at all to me. Anyway it no matter as long as unnu get my drift.

Now mi muss ask you what in depth expose you expect from the media if Ja gets a positive result from these games? What tough question is the media suppose to ask following a positive result? Jamaica gets a positive result you stuck with this team through qualifiers. You can't have it both ways, so make your choice. A good result and you stuck with this team or a thrashing and you may get the media asking Burrell the tough questions.

Weren't you here during the GC when after the first 2 games most of the people who are now crying for the first stringers were basically ready to toss them to the curb? Even Ddread almost drank the kool-aid and join the crowd. Only Ballaprof stood by his conviction and was almost taunt off the forum. \:\)


distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:41 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Ecuador is relaxing, making lots of changes. So the scoreline will look better than it should be.

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:42 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Segundo Castillo is a solid looking defender, he could definitely handle the EPL.

Ric
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:44 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: distributor1
 Originally Posted By: LINCOLN

6-0 ANYONE?


Depends on whether they take their foot off the pedal, or if they invoke the mercy rule. What a disgrace! We could have been down by five.

But, hey, we don't need no "foreign" ballers, because JA produces as many top ballers as any top football country.


Wha mi glad sey is that certain ites views and opinions on this current Jamaican football disaster deh pon record for all to read, regarding both personnell and tactics.

Wi no flip flop, we name it straight from day one...now u have certain opinions on this current disaster unfloding tonight with a local Jamaica scrimmage side taking on a strong South American opponent and going to pick up a 'baseball' score by the time the 'scrimmage' done...agreeing wid wi, finally.

And another strong South American opponent in Colombia to face on Tuesday.

Now watch Jamaica's FIFA rankings plummett again after these two 'scrimmage' thrashings by real football nations and then listen to the 'horse dead and cow manure' wi going to hear from 'Chief' Burrell and 'Likkle Indian' Tappa Whitmore.

And we womder why professional club coaches who have signed jamaica's best players don't want them travelling around the world to represent a Jamaica side fulla DPL 'scrimmage' ballas, to come back to their club teams, tired, injured and totally demoralised.

Mi a go hear wha the great apologists for Rodolph Austin, Tappa Whitmore and dem likkle 'friend clique' Jamaica side a go come wid now.

BALLAPROF, WEH U DEH ? U A FEEL MI, DON ?


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:45 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Now, let us hope the ballas stay disciplined and do not enjoy the Quito ladies of the night. Believe me Ecuador have some nice looking women and yardman will get nuff attention.

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:46 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Why worry about rankings? Is rankings get the friendlies or good relationships and negotiations? I am more worried about the poor quality on show.

distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:47 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Toying with the Boyz!

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:48 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Exhibition stuff from Ecuador

jamatl
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:48 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

A Vanzie getting a run

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:51 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

more exhibition stuff

distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:52 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

They see us as dogs to piss on, and this team is that. They should aim some urine at Tappa too.

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:53 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

how him miss that? all the time in the world Ecuador could have been up 6-2.

Ric
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:56 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Technic
Why worry about rankings? Is rankings get the friendlies or good relationships and negotiations? I am more worried about the poor quality on show.


Good performances rises the rankings and has strong teams finding a side an attractive opponent to play...

When real football sides take the pitch, they want a match that makes it worth their time and gives them a good 'work out', especially in a friendly.

Do you really believe that Ecuador and Colombia would have been interested in playing Jamaica's DPL 'scrimmage' ballas if they knew that was the Jamaica side they were going to face?

It wasn't Jamaica's 'scrimmage' ballas that got Jamaica so many places up the FIFA rankings so that these sides would want to play Jamaica, was it ?


distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:57 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

The ref had mercy on us and didn't play any injury time. Even he did not want to see more carnage. That score should have been double.

LINCOLN
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:58 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September


That is another match for Tappa to review....
(1) Jamaica Vs USA (Gold Cup)
(2) Jamaica Vs Venezuela (Montego Bay)
(3) Jamaica Vs Ecuador (Quito)


distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 03:58 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Jamatl, or is that Tappa/Burrell, you have been quiet. The weed kicked in, or your computer kicked out? Which one?

TheDread
(Forum General)
09/02/11 04:02 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Now is the time to start sorting out the team. I warned about the GC squad and them still insist on going this bs route. Tappa betta watch him job as they will throw him under dey bus.

Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 04:03 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Well I will say it again, mi nuh business bout rankings, me business bout performance and that was poor. Performance will take care of the rankings.

How much Panama rank? they playing Paraguay tonight. Gabon have friendly lined up with Brazil.


kevinanthony
(Member)
09/02/11 04:05 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

What the scores anyone????

kirkieb
(Forum General)
09/02/11 04:08 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

As so many ites has already pointed out, is it the JFF contract that's preventing other professionals from getting with the program?
I'm just grasping for straws as to why we can't get any new ballers.


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/02/11 04:09 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Besides Burrell's spurious idea that he needs to expose the locals, I have to take the position that their assessment of talent is amateurish.

The USA glaringly exposed our weakness and riendliesthey thought it was an aberration, a slip.

Their valuation of talent is poor; we on the forum saw the clear weakness of our team toward the next level and the JFF with these two friendlies instead of raiding the EPL & championship for players, Burrell & Tappa turn to the Jamaican league for players to compete against professionals.

This is just a waste of my time & energy....


kevinanthony
(Member)
09/02/11 04:09 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

What was the score anyone

distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 04:11 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Technic
Well I will say it again, mi nuh business bout rankings, me business bout performance and that was poor. Performance will take care of the rankings.

How much Panama rank? they playing Paraguay tonight. Gabon have friendly lined up with Brazil.


Ghana is playing Brazil. Watch your African geography. ;\)


Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 04:13 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Gabon has friendly lined up with Brazil along with Ghana, I know my geography thank you

brush
(Forum General)
09/02/11 04:13 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Wow! Gave up a payday to watch this walloping. ~sigh~

Don't even know where to start but I think it all comes down to giving up the ball too easily in middle of the park. If you lose the ball so quickly then your defense will always be scrambling.

Also, set piece defending leave a lot of work. The team need some experience at the back when it comes to set piece. The most experience defender, shavar, look lost on those set piuece goal. The Ecuadorian just seem to bully our defenders in the box and we had no answers.

Again, if we can't keep the ball or our cool around the final third (attacking) then we fighting a losing battle. Anyway, hope they show some improvement come Tuesday.


Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 04:13 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

11/11/2011 Libreville Gabon - Brazil

kirkieb
(Forum General)
09/02/11 04:14 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: kevinanthony
What was the score anyone


5-2 Ecuador


distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 04:16 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Some World Cup final scores:

Trinidad & Tobago

1 - 0

Bermuda

Suriname

1 - 0

Cayman Islands

Grenada

0 - 3

Belize

Haiti

6 - 0

US Virgin Islands


Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 04:21 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Wait deh, T&T could only drop 1 on Bermuda at home?

theworm2345
(Forum General)
09/02/11 04:23 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

If you missed the match (first 9 minutes missing):
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ACTXBU9G


distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 04:30 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Technic
11/11/2011 Libreville Gabon - Brazil


My apologies, Technic. I definitely missed that one. I owe you one for my ignorance.


Technic
(Forum General)
09/02/11 04:33 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

No worries distrib. I know you are the resident expert on African football on this forum.

youngballa
(Forum General)
09/02/11 06:58 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

so the little progress we made is being thrown out the door SMh, why would i expect anything different anyway. why do we continue the same cycles?

ballhead21
(Member)
09/02/11 09:04 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

I guess if we look on the bright side the last time ecuador play at home was vs venezuela and they won 4-1 11/2010, they played a return leg vs venezuela 07/2011 and lost 1-0.

So in comparison it's not a bad score line


Jamaicanyouth
(Forum General)
09/02/11 09:09 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

http://www.jamaicafootballfederation.com/v1/2011/09/03/questions-to-be-answered-jamaica-vs-ecuador/

My little article

Questions to be answered, Jamaica vs Ecuador


Jamaica marked their return to South American soil with a dissapointing 5-2 loss in Quito, Ecuador in the Estadio Olimpico today. Jamaica started out with a 3-4-2-1 formation. To many this was the first questionable move made by Tappa, as in the past we have gave South American teams a run for there money playing with a 4-2-2 formation. Most recently against Argentina in Mar del Plata Last year.

Omar Cummings has a record of not finding the back of the net when he plays alone upfront, but once he has support as we saw today with the presence of Ryan Johnson, Cummings got his goal. For the majority of the game Jamaica played very flat and their overlapping movements from defense to attack were unsuccessful, as the Ecuadorian wing backs were a touch faster. The Ecuadorians’ strengths are the set pieces and 2 of the 5 goals came from set pieces. So Jamaica was caught ball watching at crucial times. The question must now be asked…”Did altitude play a huge affect here?”.

Despite the defeat Jamaica did not give up and got 2 goals for there efforts from Demar Phillips and Omar Cummings. Up next for the Boyz is Colombia in Lockhart Stadium which will be be another learning experience for our Boyz. The Fans are starting to ask why are we not seeing English based players anymore? Its been 11 months since an English based player played in the Reggae Boyz jersey. This should be a wake up call to Tappa, Montesso and the Gamma Family that English based players are NECESSARY, CRUCIAL and VITAL for Jamaica in preparation to getting on the plane to Brazil for the 2014 World Cup


distributor1
(Forum General)
09/02/11 09:46 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Ecuador easily won that game and they should have doubled the score. We were never in it, and the two goals we scored were much against the run of play. Yes, the JFF will speak of altitude, and of other stuff, but they will not speak of the thin team, and the poor coaching.

Hey, I can recall flogging the point that it was Grenada and Guatemala, two teams that we have always beaten, that got some excited earlier in the summer, and an under-strength Honduras. The flaws were there to be seen then, and boy how they have been thrown into relief now.


Ric
(Forum General)
09/03/11 03:29 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

I don't know what football planet Burrell and Tappa are living on; its certainly not the same one as the rest of us.

No 1, formations don't win football matches, players do.

This idiaat 3-4-2-1 formation or whatever the hell it is, is for fantasy football or leggo board football; Jamaica's players don't play anything like this at their clubs and not even the world's best players could figure out how to play football like this.

No 2, if my footballers are better footballers, than your footballers, my football team is going to be a better football team than your football team; its not rocket science.

Essentially, to have a Jamaica squad and team picked from MLS, Scandanavia and the local DPL is to have a B side playing for Jamaica because none of these players are playing in the strongest leagues in the world in which other Jamaican-qualified players are playing.

To be quite honest, MLS and the Scandanavian leagues are about on par and average out to European 3rd division football, meaning in England, League 1, Italy Serie C, Germany Bundesliga 3 and so on.

The local DPL players on show last night would not get a contract in the Conference league (the semi-pro division below the Football League in England), much less make a League 2 side, the lowest of the professional divisions in the Football League in England.

Its obvious that the JFF and Tappa do not realise that to put weak teams on the field in the eyes of the football world is to disrespect the game and render your football reputation as 'no account', not even worthy of consideration.

Sept. 2 and 6 are FIFA mandated dates and every football team playing friendlies on these dates have access to their best players and pick their best possible teams to play these matches because they are preparation for any major tournaments on the horizon, the WC qualifiers in Jamaica's case.

For all the well-wishers of the Reggaeboyz the world over, it is a real shame to see Jamaica disrespect the game in this way and also show such ignorance of the football world and expectations that the JFF trumpet so loudly about efforts to improve Jamaica's football and gain the world's respect.

Even if Burrell is the main instigator in Jamaica putting such sub-par teams on the field, Jamaica's coach, Tappa Whitmore still has a responsibility to make this clear to the football public, that his hands are tied in the squads that he picks, otherwise, he is as culpable and responsible in this fiasco as his boss, Burrell.

I guarantee the ites one sure thing, Tappa Whitmore will not coach Jamaica through the WC qualifiers, much less in Brazil, should, by some miracle, Jamaica does get the 2014 WC in Brazil.


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/03/11 04:36 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Plucky Boyz fall to Ecuador's high altitude

HOWARD WALKER with the REGGAE BOYZ IN QUITO, ECUADOR

Saturday, September 03, 2011

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QUITO, Ecuador — Faced with the daunting challenge of debilitating high altitude, Jamaica's Reggae Boyz were cut down 5-2 by Ecuador in their international friendly at the Estadio Olimpico Atahualpa Stadium here yesterday.

Ecuador, who have not lost at home in the last two years, had little difficulty in keeping that record intact against a Jamaican team that lacked the requisite adjustment to compete in the rarified air of Quito's 9,000 feet above sea level.

Goals by Jaime Ayori (21st minute), Edison Mendez (39th), Christian Benitez (45th, 52nd) and Segundo Castillo (64th) gave the South Americans an emphatic victory.

Omar Cummings and Demar Phillips netted in the 56th and 67th minutes for the Jamaicans.

Had it not been for some crucial saves by goalkeeper Dwayne Miller and some wasteful shooting from the Ecuadoreans, the score could have easily ended in double digits.

Head coach Theodore Whitmore appeared a dejected figure on the sidelines as his team, even against the odds, clearly did not attempt with conviction the possession football that it is aspiring to play.

They barely held possession, and only put a few passes together from midfield at best -- a far cry from their CONCACAF Gold Cup display.

It is certainly a scoreline and display the Jamaicans would want to quickly put to the back of their minds before they entertain Colombia on Tuesday, in Florida, in another friendly.

With the stadium capacity a reported 45,000, only a handful of approximately 6,000 turned out to see Ecuador's display.

Playing without regulars Antonio Valencia of Manchester United and Felipe Caicedo of Lokomotiv Moscow, Ecuador attacked at will and looked capable of scoring in every attack.

But in fact, it was the Boyz who came out quickest out of the blocks and should have taken a second minute lead, but JeVaughn Watson skied his effort after good work from Omar Cummings down the left flank.

That seemed to have awaken the hosts and in the fourth minute, Jaime Ayori tested goalkeeper Miller from just outside the box, but the Scandinavia-based player gathered the ball at the second attempt.

Miller was again called into action in the 10th minute after Fernando Saritana fired straight at him.

But the floodgates would eventually be opened in the 20th minute when Ayori collected a pass inside the box and calmly placed his effort wide of goalkeeper Miller.

Mendez doubled Ecuador's advantage in the 38th minute before Benitez grabbed his double five minutes apart with well taken goals.

Colorado Rapids' striker Omar Cummings pulled one back for Jamaica with a low, hard shot from just outside the box.

But Castillo restored Ecuador's four-goal advantage with a thumping header in the 64th minute.

Demar Phillips with a beautiful goal reduced the deficit and brought some form of respectability to the scoreline.

Teams:

Jamaica -- 13-Dwayne Miller, 04-Shavar Thomas, 19-Adrian Reid (03-Montrose Phinn,70th), 06-Keneil Moodie (16-Troy Smith 55th), 12-Demar Phillips, 15-Xavean Virgo, 17-Rudolph Austin(02-Richard Edwards 55th), 07-Damion Williams (18-Andrew Vanzie 80th), 20-JeVaughn Watson (08-Eric Vernan 60th), 10-Dane Richards (09-Ryan Johnson 46th), 14-Omar Cummings.

Subs not used: 01-Richard McCullum,

Booked: None

Ecuador -- 01-Adrian Bone, 02-Geovanny Caicedo, 03-Frickson Erazo, 04-Juan Paredes, 07-Fernando Saritana (Marvin Pita 75th), 08-Edison Mendez (Alex Bolanos 60th), 10-Walter Ayori (David Quiroz 72nd), 11-Christian Benitez (Ivan Kaviedes 74th), 13-Christian Suarez (Gabriel Achilier 60th), 14-Segundo Castillo, 17-Jaime Ayori

Subs not used: Isaacs Mina, Wilmer Zumba, Brayan Da La Torre, Eduardo Morante, Diego Calderon, Narcisso Mina

Booked: None

Referee: Jose Buitriago (Colombia)

Assistant Referees: Douglas Bustamante (Ecuador), Marco Muzo (Ecuador)

Fourth Official: Wilmar Roldan (Colombia)

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Plu...6#ixzz1Wt8lf6RI


distributor1
(Forum General)
09/03/11 06:14 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

What a joke of a column! The Boyz were comprhensively outplayed, and it was not all about altitude. Burrell has his dogs writing for him everywhere.

Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/03/11 06:36 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Debillitating altitude, my foot; Howard walker as a sports writer you are not helping Jamaica football.

Where is your ink about excluded UK players going on for a years now.

Where is your football perception questioning the JFF notion that the quality of locals is sufficient, and the spurious idea that we need to expose the yutes?

Put the pen down brethern or go focus on badmington, boomarang or some other beach sport if you're not up to the task of helping Jamaica's football.


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/03/11 06:48 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Distrib, Ric, Kirkrieb, Technic all 'ites let's all get after Howard Walker.

here's is email:

walkerh@jamaicaobserver.com

Mek we try tough him up and expose whatever football ignorance him have as a sports writer....


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/03/11 07:16 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

This the email I just sent him....

Howard if you haven't yet, you need to check out thereggaeboyz.com to see how the fans feel regarding this current crop of players. And the diservice to the fans of the JFF not providing clear understanding of why UK base nationals are being excluded in favor of a local base outfit which is not ready for this level of football.

You as a sports writer bear the responsibility for asking the JFF the tough pointed questions as to the exclusion of players in England's premier league and Championship. Some of these pros have already express their alegience to Jamaica.

As a matter of fact probably unbeknowing to you it was 17 year old on thereggaeboyz.com site who is in contact with the JFF office brought some of these players to their attention a few months ago, and that's when they began to make some kind of contact; that's crazy

The Jamaica football Federation it seems doesn't have much clue as to the extent of what's available to them in England, and I'm not talking about the FULLERS, BIBI, STEW PEAS etc. Right now over a dozen players avalaible to us from the premier league to the championship and it's as if they don't know what to do.

We need your feedback on thereggaeboyz.com


Technic
(Forum General)
09/03/11 07:18 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

If they lost 2-1 or 1-0 then I could say the altitude was a huge factor in them losing, but watching the game and seeing the how sloppy the defensive marking was, how poor the passing was, how tactically naive they were as a team, I know why they lost that badly.

Make no mistake about it, the altitude does and did have an effect on the player that were not use to it. Notice, for me at least, Cummings was Jamaica's best player and he plays his club football in Denver about a mile above sea level. However, knowing all these things, why was the game so open? why was the marking so poor? I remember one of the goals from a corner the attacker stood on the 6 yard box and made a free header, unacceptable and nothing to do with the altitude.

As Lincs say, these games are for the mistakes to be made AND TO BE LEARNED FROM. Hopefully Tappa took his notes well and makes the adjustments for next time and most importantly for the big games.


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/03/11 07:27 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Brethren if we sey we love Jamaica football, let's do what we can do with our computers. Let's get email address of these cats in the JFF and let them know as lovers of Jamaica football we demand accountability.

Let's challenge their thinking; we want answers for their sometimes crazy football decisions.....

Mek we do something...

Jamatl & Jyute we email addresses of these JFF cats...


Ric
(Forum General)
09/03/11 07:43 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Jamaica's starting line up included 4 local ballas and every balla coming into the game from the bench; Adrian Reid aside, where in heaven's sake would a team of local Jamaican players be able to play any decent side in the world and produce a good performance, much less win ?!

Memba sey Ric tell unnu sey, Carl Brown and Cayman, as Cayman playing now will tun ova any likkle dibby dibby local DPL Jamaica ball side the JFF have the temerity and facetiness to put pon the field 'gainst dem, trust mi.

It was really pitiful to watch last night; mi watch the first 5 minutes and that was enough.

Adrian Reid is a coming likkle balla but im afi play wid the big balla dem to improve.

Mi not even going to comment on the shit that dis likkle Burrel arse-licker reporter has written because if Burrell hav dem all inna im pocket so, the future for Jamaica's football is very dim indeed.

And, on top of all dat, if this is what the JFF is putting out to tempt the professional players in the EPL and Championship and SPL to declare loyalty and committ to play international football for Jamaica, then even Boxhill wuuda do betta dan dis; at least he had Marlon King around to cuss out im claat at the time when Jamaica's administrators started to lose the plot.

All mi can do is shake mi head


Ric
(Forum General)
09/03/11 07:59 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Mi a dead fi laugh wen mi remember how Jeffrey Webb used to control and pick Cayman side back in my day; is only when Chung Fah did come first time wen the best balla dem inna Cayman, including miself, get a chance fi pull on a national jersey and represent the country.

Well, Horace Burrell and Jeffrey Webb a the same ting; dem two man deh don't know jack shit about football or footballers...

To Burrell and Webb, every man who string up a pair a football boots is a balla, no difference...

So, in Burrell's world, Jamaica's DPL amateurs are the same as the EPL ballas like Darren Pratley or the SPL balla like Chris Humphrey who he could at least invite to play for Jamaica and give them the choice...

Inna Burrell's understanding one balla is the same as another so im won't understand why a likkle dibby dibby DPL local balla Jamaica side wuuda pick up 5-2 inna Quito, Ecuador.

Mi a dead fi laugh tru mi just a suss out dis ting when mi memba mi past dealings wid im and Jeff Webb inna Cayman in the last few years \:D


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/03/11 08:04 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Lesson learned local league veteran defenders no ride fi dis!!!!

Skilachi
(Forum General)
09/03/11 08:57 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

I know twitter is not really official and all but the j.f.f is saying they will be looking at some English based players in the near future on their twitter account.

Skilachi
(Forum General)
09/03/11 09:00 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Questions to be answered, Jamaica vs Ecuador
September 3, 2011 | Filed underArticles,Jamaica National Teams,National News,News,Teams | Posted by JamFedadmin
Jamaica marked their return to South American soil with a dissapointing 5-2 loss in Quito, Ecuador in the Estadio Olimpico today. Jamaica started out with a 3-4-2-1 formation. To many this was the first questionable move made by Tappa, as in the past we have gave South American teams a run for there money playing with a 4-2-2 formation. Most recently against Argentina in Mar del Plata Last year.

Omar Cummings has a record of not finding the back of the net when he plays alone upfront, but once he has support as we saw today with the presence of Ryan Johnson, Cummings got his goal. For the majority of the game Jamaica played very flat and their overlapping movements from defense to attack were unsuccessful, as the Ecuadorian wing backs were a touch faster. The Ecuadorians’ strengths are the set pieces and 2 of the 5 goals came from set pieces. So Jamaica was caught ball watching at crucial times. The question must now be asked…”Did altitude play a huge affect here?”.

Despite the defeat Jamaica did not give up and got 2 goals for there efforts from Demar Phillips and Omar Cummings. Up next for the Boyz is Colombia in Lockhart Stadium which will be be another learning experience for our Boyz. The Fans are starting to ask why are we not seeing English based players anymore? Its been 11 months since an English based player played in the Reggae Boyz jersey. This should be a wake up call to Tappa, Montesso and the Gamma Family that English based players are NECESSARY, CRUCIAL and VITAL for Jamaica in preparation to getting on the plane to Brazil for the 2014 World Cup

Writer: Simon Preston
Editor: Russell Morgan

http://www.jamaicafootballfederation.com/v1/2011/09/03/questions-to-be-answered-jamaica-vs-ecuador/


Beatz
(Junior Member)
09/03/11 11:50 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

We need defenders who are exposed to a higher level of football. Saw alot of ball watching and bad man marking. We've identified mostly English based midfielders and forwards. What about defenders??

Is Shaun Francis still injured? What about Woobine? I know these guy don't play in top leagues but at least they may offer better quality.


theworm2345
(Forum General)
09/03/11 12:27 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Beatz
We need defenders who are exposed to a higher level of football. Saw alot of ball watching and bad man marking. We've identified mostly English based midfielders and forwards. What about defenders??

Is Shaun Francis still injured? What about Woobine? I know these guy don't play in top leagues but at least they may offer better quality.

There are plenty, Nosworthy, Simpson, Nathan Smith, etc. Not to mention Pepe, Stewart, and Davis.


kirkieb
(Forum General)
09/03/11 02:03 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

[quote=Hamilton Israel]Distrib, Ric, Kirkrieb, Technic all 'ites let's all get after Howard Walker.

here's is email:

walkerh@jamaicaobserver.com

These reporters must be kept honest. Email sent.


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/03/11 02:27 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Howard Walker responded to my email...

Thanks Israel, actually on Thursday I asked Horace Reid, the JFF Gen Sec, about ur very queries.


Howard Walker
Journalist,
Jamaica Observer


kirkieb
(Forum General)
09/03/11 02:32 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Hamilton Israel
Howard Walker responded to my email...

Thanks Israel, actually on Thursday I asked Horace Reid, the JFF Gen Sec, about ur very queries.

And why was that not included in the match report... steups


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/03/11 02:46 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

He also sent me this....



The Football Academy
The Jamaica Football Federation
Calendar of Events

Are we “avoiding” UK Based players?

September 3, 2011 | Filed underArticles,News | Posted by JamFedadmin

October 10, 2010 was the last time Jamaica fielded a UK based player, Ricardo Fuller. It has now nearly 11 months since we have seen a UK based player in Black, Green and Gold and it is certainly a cause for concern. We must ask Tappa and Company, “Are we ‘avoiding’ UK Based Players?”.

It is my belief that UK based players play a huge role in the development of football at the international level. They bring years of experience, tactical discipline and technical ability that wins the hearts of Jamaicans fans all the time. At this point in time the fans are growing restless, we are about 10 months away from the 2014 World Cup Qualifiers and we have yet to experiment with UK based players.

As I have said before we are just a few pieces away from completing the puzzle and stand an extremely strong chance of getting on that plane to Brazil. Technically, all we need is a solid Centre Back, Central Midfielder, Winger and an additional Striker. The general core of the team is good and I believe that with these additions Jamaica WILL reap more fruitful rewards in the near future.

Darren Pratley is a 25 year old Central Midfielder who plays for Bolton Wanderers in the English Premier League. He just moved from Swansea City where he assisted in their promotion to the Premier League. His tactical vision, sound mind and strong presence made a difference at Swansea, that is what Jamaica needs at the middle of the park right now.

When John Barnes was manager he called Pratley up; but days before the game Pratley received an injury. It is now time for Pratley to come back.

Chris Humphrey is a 23 year old winger who plays for Motherwell F.C. in the Scottish Premier League. Chris is reckoned to be the 17th fastest winger in the UK, he played an integral role in Motherwell’s Europa League season last season. Humphrey was called up to the Jamaica team prior to the Gold Cup this Year, but his mother had a stroke days before the tournament. Chris can terrorize the opposition with his speed, cleverness and dead ball skills.

Zavon Hines is a 22 year old striker who plays for Burnley F.C. in the Championship, who recently moved from West Ham. Zavon Hines was called up by John Barnes in 2009 for an international friendly vs Nigeria but he did not feature. Former West Ham and England International Dean Aston said Zavon is one to watch for the future as he is a very lethal striker in front of goal.

These pieces will fit in nicely into the pool of players and they will play an integral role in getting to Brazil. Now is the time to step up.

Writer:Simon Preston
Editor:Russell Morgan


LINCOLN
(Forum General)
09/03/11 02:51 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September


HI, why did you have to go through all that drama? You could have gone straight to JamaicanYouth......

 Originally Posted By: Hamilton Israel
He also sent me this....



The Football Academy
The Jamaica Football Federation
Calendar of Events

Are we “avoiding” UK Based players?

September 3, 2011 | Filed underArticles,News | Posted by JamFedadmin

October 10, 2010 was the last time Jamaica fielded a UK based player, Ricardo Fuller. It has now nearly 11 months since we have seen a UK based player in Black, Green and Gold and it is certainly a cause for concern. We must ask Tappa and Company, “Are we ‘avoiding’ UK Based Players?”.

It is my belief that UK based players play a huge role in the development of football at the international level. They bring years of experience, tactical discipline and technical ability that wins the hearts of Jamaicans fans all the time. At this point in time the fans are growing restless, we are about 10 months away from the 2014 World Cup Qualifiers and we have yet to experiment with UK based players.

As I have said before we are just a few pieces away from completing the puzzle and stand an extremely strong chance of getting on that plane to Brazil. Technically, all we need is a solid Centre Back, Central Midfielder, Winger and an additional Striker. The general core of the team is good and I believe that with these additions Jamaica WILL reap more fruitful rewards in the near future.

Darren Pratley is a 25 year old Central Midfielder who plays for Bolton Wanderers in the English Premier League. He just moved from Swansea City where he assisted in their promotion to the Premier League. His tactical vision, sound mind and strong presence made a difference at Swansea, that is what Jamaica needs at the middle of the park right now.

When John Barnes was manager he called Pratley up; but days before the game Pratley received an injury. It is now time for Pratley to come back.

Chris Humphrey is a 23 year old winger who plays for Motherwell F.C. in the Scottish Premier League. Chris is reckoned to be the 17th fastest winger in the UK, he played an integral role in Motherwell’s Europa League season last season. Humphrey was called up to the Jamaica team prior to the Gold Cup this Year, but his mother had a stroke days before the tournament. Chris can terrorize the opposition with his speed, cleverness and dead ball skills.

Zavon Hines is a 22 year old striker who plays for Burnley F.C. in the Championship, who recently moved from West Ham. Zavon Hines was called up by John Barnes in 2009 for an international friendly vs Nigeria but he did not feature. Former West Ham and England International Dean Aston said Zavon is one to watch for the future as he is a very lethal striker in front of goal.

These pieces will fit in nicely into the pool of players and they will play an integral role in getting to Brazil. Now is the time to step up.

Writer:Simon Preston
Editor:Russell Morgan


Omar Kameka
(Member)
09/03/11 03:05 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

i know that every reggae boyz fans is upset by the selections that our current JFF are making but u have to realize that not all the players want to play for jamaica....for e.g. JERMAINE PENNANT, he would rather play for Ireland than to play for us...and DANIEL STURRIDGE, its only a matter of time before he plays for england so that would be a waste of time calling him up.... Now to the players we do have like RICARDO FULLER N RICARDO GARDENER, CLAUDE DAVIS, AND THE STEWARTS....they are all 32 plus n wud not make any sense to be called up bcuz they will be too old for the squad for 2014...so even though im upset about our defense line n been humiliated by Ecuador im nt too worried about it bcuz even J.TAYLOR N DIC.WILLIAMS didnt play yesterday so i wouldnt be too worried about that....


S.N.. Dont get me wrong, i wud love to see the english based play like even J.JOHNSON n J.CAMPBELL-RYCE, R.FULLER, O.THOMPSON(hvnt heard much about him)...


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/03/11 04:52 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Hamilton Israel
He also sent me this....

The Football Academy
The Jamaica Football Federation
Calendar of Events

Are we “avoiding” UK Based players?

September 3, 2011 | Filed underArticles,News | Posted by JamFedadmin

October 10, 2010 was the last time Jamaica fielded a UK based player, Ricardo Fuller. It has now nearly 11 months since we have seen a UK based player in Black, Green and Gold and it is certainly a cause for concern. We must ask Tappa and Company, “Are we ‘avoiding’ UK Based Players?”.

It is my belief that UK based players play a huge role in the development of football at the international level. They bring years of experience, tactical discipline and technical ability that wins the hearts of Jamaicans fans all the time. At this point in time the fans are growing restless, we are about 10 months away from the 2014 World Cup Qualifiers and we have yet to experiment with UK based players.

As I have said before we are just a few pieces away from completing the puzzle and stand an extremely strong chance of getting on that plane to Brazil. Technically, all we need is a solid Centre Back, Central Midfielder, Winger and an additional Striker. The general core of the team is good and I believe that with these additions Jamaica WILL reap more fruitful rewards in the near future.

Darren Pratley is a 25 year old Central Midfielder who plays for Bolton Wanderers in the English Premier League. He just moved from Swansea City where he assisted in their promotion to the Premier League. His tactical vision, sound mind and strong presence made a difference at Swansea, that is what Jamaica needs at the middle of the park right now.

When John Barnes was manager he called Pratley up; but days before the game Pratley received an injury. It is now time for Pratley to come back.

Chris Humphrey is a 23 year old winger who plays for Motherwell F.C. in the Scottish Premier League. Chris is reckoned to be the 17th fastest winger in the UK, he played an integral role in Motherwell’s Europa League season last season. Humphrey was called up to the Jamaica team prior to the Gold Cup this Year, but his mother had a stroke days before the tournament. Chris can terrorize the opposition with his speed, cleverness and dead ball skills.

Zavon Hines is a 22 year old striker who plays for Burnley F.C. in the Championship, who recently moved from West Ham. Zavon Hines was called up by John Barnes in 2009 for an international friendly vs Nigeria but he did not feature. Former West Ham and England International Dean Aston said Zavon is one to watch for the future as he is a very lethal striker in front of goal.

These pieces will fit in nicely into the pool of players and they will play an integral role in getting to Brazil. Now is the time to step up.

Writer:Simon Preston
Editor:Russell Morgan


As I have said before we are just a few pieces away from completing the puzzle and stand an extremely strong chance of getting on that plane to Brazil. Technically, all we need is a solid Centre Back, Central Midfielder, Winger and an additional Striker. The general core of the team is good and I believe that with these additions Jamaica WILL reap more fruitful rewards in the near future.

I thihk most of us on this site beg to differ with this assumption. Let's see if this thinking holds to reason.

I think we are more than just a few pieces way. Even if this was the case, how many national teams take this approach. As Link says players get injured, players loose passports, players loose them minds.....

Spain the no. 1 or 2 team in the world, their starting 11 has all the wow factors in their attack; Xavi, Silva, Iniesta, Villa, Alonso, Busquets,Torres, etc.

Now, how many "pieces" a side like this needs ?

We don't hear their FA saying just add a few more pieces, no. They fly the gate and let in their calvary: FABREGAS, THIAGO PEDRO, MATA, NAVAS, NEGREDO, LORIENTE,CARZOLA, BRUNO SORIANO, BORJA VALERO

Count it that is 17 midfielders and attacking players, and none of them are fillers. These players are the focal point of their respective teams.

On the R'boyz roster consist our attackers consist of:

Jason Morrison
Omar Daley
Damian Williams
Jevaughn Watson
Rodolph Austin
Keammar Daley
Omar Cummings
Luton Shelton
Ryan Johnson
Dane Richards
Demar Phillips
Eric Vernan

These are basically the 12 attackers we've being using on a consistent basis. I've excluded FULLER & BIBI for obvious reasons.

These selections have being looked at over and over, we know what to expect from them and we've seen significant improvement among this group.

We all had hope for them and saw some really good things in the first 3 GCC matches. The next test was the USA, and surely enough they exposed our weakness glaringly.

When one look at our overall performance against this USA team we basically were over matched. Our midfield in particular simply wasn't good enough to theirs. I'm not saying through the baby out with the bath water, but if we are seriouly thinking of not only making it to Brazil but to improve our team to be a consistent contender to the ConCaCaf hierarchy, then this 12 I've just mentioned is not good enough to challenge ConCaCaf hierarchy.

That is reality....

If Spain the no. 1 team can have on their present roster, not fringe players, but17 highly technical players and searching , who is Jamaica to say: "we only need a few pieces to complete the squad..."

That is a "settling" mind set, poor man's thinking I might add, small mindedness.

Our football Hierarchy it seems needs a lesson in ambition.

Since we are no where near what we could become, we need to fly the gate...

If it's a dozen players we have in the English Premier league & Championship we should give them all a fair chance to compete for a spot with our present roster. No one should be excluded based on a faulty notion that we have "enough pieces" in place.

I do not believe the JFF have this kind of mindset to allow all qualified (those who say yes to us & potential ones) players, in the UK to compete equally.

I can think of a few hindrances to the JFF thinking this way: 1; they don't want to infringe on the local base players they are trying to expose.... What? wrong thinking here..

The JFF responsibility suppose to be this to the local base: to provide a viable professional league condusive to players development; to provide good technical licence coaches, viable infrastructure and organization across the island. This is where their responsibility ends.

If the JFF think they are responsible to expose players then they are assuming the job of football agents.

The R'BOYZ is not the place where a player come seeking exposure. It's their hard, work ethic, dominating the our local league, catching the eyes of TAPPA, getting a call up to the squad base on their performance and work already put in. It's their hard work is their main exposure along with an agent doing due deligence to shop them around the world. The JFF need to change their mind set here.

2; The Jff may think with the inclusion of too many UK 'ites it would hinder the growth and development of the local base. This is another spurious notion.

What hinders the local base growth and development has more to do with what goes on in our league set up Jamaica and the work ethic or lack of it among the coaches and players.

How can the addition of professionals if handled right and professionally be an hindrance to those not in the same environment? If anything it should aide our local base development; in the local base meeting with and practicing with the UK 'ites and learning of what it takes to make it on that level....

3;
The JFF may feel our football soup cannot accommodate too many "foreign born" nationals, that it may spoil the broth.

No one is saying to do this all at once, but there has to be a plan of action because all of them may not make it. But our goal should be to get as much and solidify our team.

If anything they would bring a level of competiveness for a roster spot that would be healthy for our overall team.

There has to be a revolution in thinking regarding Jamaica's football. If all we are thinking of is to make the 2014 WC then we are settling and not looking to the future...

I'll post now, don't want this to be too long

Want to talk about STURRIDGE next...


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/03/11 05:06 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

LINK, Jyute MIA....

Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/03/11 05:08 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: kirkieb
 Originally Posted By: Hamilton Israel
Howard Walker responded to my email...

Thanks Israel, actually on Thursday I asked Horace Reid, the JFF Gen Sec, about ur very queries.

And why was that not included in the match report... steups


Good question Kirk...media need to have a sense of urgency this has being going on too long...


Blessed Love
(Forum General)
09/03/11 05:50 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

That's the same thing I was wondering myself, why go the route of e-mail when JamaicanYouth (JY), is actively involved with this forum site and the JFF.....Anyway, I would like to thank JY personally, for listening and taking up my request regarding this matter to the press somewhat, and I'm also hoping that he did/will take it directly to his boss (Horace 'crab-in-a-barrel' Burrel) as well.

I'm now waiting to see if the JFF will listen to the cry of the "Loyal" Jamaican supports/fans on this site, and act by addressing the matter, NOW!!!

I always know this site have a lot of potential, and is very capable enough, efficient and effective in making things happen. This site is so damn good that even the JFF want to duplicate it. Also, this site knows how to bring information and awareness directly to the right source(s).


"
 Originally Posted By: Blessed Love
Guess with all the noise we're making around here, and the calling for the National top class players and especially the ones, "Born a Foreign" is done only amongst ourselves on this forum.

Because, no journalist have any article in the local newspapers that I have read so far, to indicate that the Jamaican public or anyone for that matter locally, is calling on the JFF or Tappa to bring in our best players available to join the team now...!!!

Let's do this thing early enough and call up our best eligible and available players, so the players can start to build the right chemistry and gel together from now..!!!

"Tappa/JFF" if you guys read this forum or get any update from JY from time to time,
please listen up and understand that this current crop (or should I say crap lol) of local players won't do it...they can't take us to Brazil 2014 WC." No way...!!! Not at all...!!!

,
 Originally Posted By: LINCOLN

HI, why did you have to go through all that drama? You could have gone straight to JamaicanYouth......

 Originally Posted By: Hamilton Israel
He also sent me this....



The Football Academy
The Jamaica Football Federation
Calendar of Events

Are we “avoiding” UK Based players?

September 3, 2011 | Filed underArticles,News | Posted by JamFedadmin

October 10, 2010 was the last time Jamaica fielded a UK based player, Ricardo Fuller. It has now nearly 11 months since we have seen a UK based player in Black, Green and Gold and it is certainly a cause for concern. We must ask Tappa and Company, “Are we ‘avoiding’ UK Based Players?”.

It is my belief that UK based players play a huge role in the development of football at the international level. They bring years of experience, tactical discipline and technical ability that wins the hearts of Jamaicans fans all the time. At this point in time the fans are growing restless, we are about 10 months away from the 2014 World Cup Qualifiers and we have yet to experiment with UK based players.

As I have said before we are just a few pieces away from completing the puzzle and stand an extremely strong chance of getting on that plane to Brazil. Technically, all we need is a solid Centre Back, Central Midfielder, Winger and an additional Striker. The general core of the team is good and I believe that with these additions Jamaica WILL reap more fruitful rewards in the near future.

Darren Pratley is a 25 year old Central Midfielder who plays for Bolton Wanderers in the English Premier League. He just moved from Swansea City where he assisted in their promotion to the Premier League. His tactical vision, sound mind and strong presence made a difference at Swansea, that is what Jamaica needs at the middle of the park right now.

When John Barnes was manager he called Pratley up; but days before the game Pratley received an injury. It is now time for Pratley to come back.

Chris Humphrey is a 23 year old winger who plays for Motherwell F.C. in the Scottish Premier League. Chris is reckoned to be the 17th fastest winger in the UK, he played an integral role in Motherwell’s Europa League season last season. Humphrey was called up to the Jamaica team prior to the Gold Cup this Year, but his mother had a stroke days before the tournament. Chris can terrorize the opposition with his speed, cleverness and dead ball skills.

Zavon Hines is a 22 year old striker who plays for Burnley F.C. in the Championship, who recently moved from West Ham. Zavon Hines was called up by John Barnes in 2009 for an international friendly vs Nigeria but he did not feature. Former West Ham and England International Dean Aston said Zavon is one to watch for the future as he is a very lethal striker in front of goal.

These pieces will fit in nicely into the pool of players and they will play an integral role in getting to Brazil. Now is the time to step up.

Writer:Simon "JamaicanYouth" Preston
Editor:Russell Morgan


my2cents
(Forum General)
09/03/11 06:41 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

great article


http://allsportsja.com/


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/03/11 07:12 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Why not go to Jyute directly; no problems using Jyute, neither anything wrong by contacting the JFF and news outlets ourselves,
the more the merrier.

When they realize there's a chorus of people out there who are incensed at this administration decision making they may do something.


A Fan
(Forum General)
09/03/11 07:33 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Hamilton Israel
Why not go to Jyute directly; no problems using Jyute, neither anything wrong by contacting the JFF and news outlets ourselves,
the more the merrier.

When they realize there's a chorus of people out there who are incensed at this administration decision making they may do something.

I agree with you HI. Lets not forget that we remain independent with our ideas and need to let the JFF know that we are not under their control. JY is.


LINCOLN
(Forum General)
09/03/11 08:57 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: A Fan
I agree with you HI. Lets not forget that we remain independent with our ideas and need to let the JFF know that we are not under their control. JY is.


Fan, are you telling me that Burrell cloned JY, programed him and had him infiltrate the organization?
-Spy fih die JY!! \:D


kirkieb
(Forum General)
09/03/11 09:20 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: LINCOLN

-Spy fih die JY!! \:D

Links yuh nuh easy at all iya.


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/04/11 12:47 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Linc, Blessed'L, let's not allow this important argument disintegrate into becoming a debate on whether or not we should be working through Jyute or not.

If you don't feel a need to contact the JFF or media outlets you have that right as a supporter of Jamaica football. Those who choose to do so also have that right, end of argument.

This doesn't have anything to do with ego or upstaging, I could care less, I love Jamaica football and as a passionate supporter it makes no sense blowing off steam on this site and none of that steam not end up in the JFF and news media offices.

We should go on their twitter page, facebook and leave snippets of how we feel so a chorus of voices will sorround their means of communication until they realize there are supporters out there that do care.


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/04/11 06:13 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

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Sunday, September 04, 2011

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THE losing display by the Reggae Boyz in their 2-5 hammering by Ecuador on Friday has left head coach Theodore Whitmore fuming and even thinking of acquiring players with the right mental attitude for games in adverse conditions.

Whitmore, 39, who took charge of the Jamaican team in 2008, was losing back-to-back games for the first time in his coaching career, thought the high altitude in Quito was a poor excuse for a poor display.

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"I think the attitude of players," he suggested for Jamaica's demise.

Quito, the capital of Ecuador, is approximately 9,000 feet above sea level and Whitmore wanted to use these types of game for the players to get accustomed to similar conditions in Mexico.

"We can't use it as an excuse. When we have to play Mexico in high altitude we have to erase that from the back of our minds. We have to go there and play, so it's now for us to do a lot of work in getting these players focused in playing in whatever conditions if we want to be in Brazil in 2014," noted Whitmore.

Jamaica, who were coming off a 1-0 defeat against China in the Far East on August 10, never turned up and were 3-0 down at the break and 4-0 after 50 minutes.

"I think we started the game very flat and we can always blame the high altitude. Some of the players weren't up for it and that is something we have to look at and this give us a chance to go out there and widen the pool, so come next year we know exactly where we're going," he noted.

Goals by Omar Cummings and Demar Phillips in the 56th and 67th minutes, respectively, brought some semblance of respectability to the scoreline, which should have reflected a wider margin of victory for the South Americans.

"When you look on the first half of the game it was very disappointing compared to the second half where we were competing and actually got two goals," Whitmore observed.

"If we did go out there in the first half and wanted to play, I wouldn't say we wouldn't lose the game, but ...it's not losing the game, it's how you lose it," he reiterated.

"We have to give credit to our goalkeeper (Dwayne Miller)... because the score could easily be 10-2," Whitmore noted.

Meanwhile, yesterday, the core of the team left Quito for Fort Lauderdale where they are scheduled to play Colombia on Tuesday, September 6 at Lockhart Stadium.

The four European-based players, Rudolph Austin, Damion Williams, Dwayne Miller and Demar Phillips, left Friday night for Miami, while three United States-based players in Shavar Thomas, Omar Cummings and Ryan Johnson left early yesterday morning.

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Seething--Tappa--wants-more-focus_9609423#ixzz1WzNGQlK4


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/04/11 07:56 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: jamatl
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THE losing display by the Reggae Boyz in their 2-5 hammering by Ecuador on Friday has left head coach Theodore Whitmore fuming and even thinking of acquiring players with the right mental attitude for games in adverse conditions.

Whitmore, 39, who took charge of the Jamaican team in 2008, was losing back-to-back games for the first time in his coaching career, thought the high altitude in Quito was a poor excuse for a poor display.

[Hide Description] WHITMORE... We can’t use altitude as an excuse
[Restore Description]
1/1

"I think the attitude of players," he suggested for Jamaica's demise.

Quito, the capital of Ecuador, is approximately 9,000 feet above sea level and Whitmore wanted to use these types of game for the players to get accustomed to similar conditions in Mexico.

"We can't use it as an excuse. When we have to play Mexico in high altitude we have to erase that from the back of our minds. We have to go there and play, so it's now for us to do a lot of work in getting these players focused in playing in whatever conditions if we want to be in Brazil in 2014," noted Whitmore.

Jamaica, who were coming off a 1-0 defeat against China in the Far East on August 10, never turned up and were 3-0 down at the break and 4-0 after 50 minutes.

"I think we started the game very flat and we can always blame the high altitude. Some of the players weren't up for it and that is something we have to look at and this give us a chance to go out there and widen the pool, so come next year we know exactly where we're going," he noted.

Goals by Omar Cummings and Demar Phillips in the 56th and 67th minutes, respectively, brought some semblance of respectability to the scoreline, which should have reflected a wider margin of victory for the South Americans.

"When you look on the first half of the game it was very disappointing compared to the second half where we were competing and actually got two goals," Whitmore observed.

"If we did go out there in the first half and wanted to play, I wouldn't say we wouldn't lose the game, but ...it's not losing the game, it's how you lose it," he reiterated.

"We have to give credit to our goalkeeper (Dwayne Miller)... because the score could easily be 10-2," Whitmore noted.

Meanwhile, yesterday, the core of the team left Quito for Fort Lauderdale where they are scheduled to play Colombia on Tuesday, September 6 at Lockhart Stadium.

The four European-based players, Rudolph Austin, Damion Williams, Dwayne Miller and Demar Phillips, left Friday night for Miami, while three United States-based players in Shavar Thomas, Omar Cummings and Ryan Johnson left early yesterday morning.

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Seething--Tappa--wants-more-focus_9609423#ixzz1WzNGQlK4


Yes TAPPA get mad as hell, cause we are mad too; we are tired of the years of mediocrity and it seems we are heading down that road again.

We have a dozen or so top flight ballers in the UK and it seems we playing patty cake with them.

Get mad, stay mad, let BURRELL know we need the CALVARY, we need the football oil wey deh a England....Mek the Kerosene oil football stay a Jamaica till it get clean. Kno bring it in front a we face come embarass we, mek people a laugh afta we saying we bun kerosene oil wen clean oil aavailable. Mi affi talk parable ca sometime a it we need.

We kno wa no mo kersene oil from Jamaica wey no ready fi burn clean but only a black up me Tele/computer every time mi watch Jamaica ball....

No more VANZIE or Tanzy (whatever his name is), Xavian Virgo, Troy Smith, Keneil Moodie, Montrose and others like dem. Dem kno ready fi top flight ConCaCaf football. Dem a waste we time.

Tell dem fi go put in the hours when nobody is not looking and work and work and work on their weaknesses.

We wa clean oil wey burn without blacking up the place; oil whey being through the rigors and pressure, filtered through the proper pipes and now a bun clean a England.

Me tiyad a kerosene oil football.....LOL


Skilachi
(Forum General)
09/04/11 08:03 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

But Tappa a get cross!!! how u mean yute.

distributor1
(Forum General)
09/04/11 08:37 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Something smells here: "Attitude" is not the big problem. This sounds like Burrell and his tin pot army tactics talking through his mouthpiece, Tappa. If you go and get low-rent, semi-amateur ballers to try and prosecute a game against superior professional players you must be willing to admit that there will always be the possibility of problems. You can add sugar to s***, but it will still be s***.

I said in an earlier posting that the "cheap and cheerful" local ballers are there because they are just happy to play, and will settle for peanuts. You can kick them around and pee on them, and they will still be happy to get a chance. Burrell, the old army man, is looking for low paid old JDF types to carry out his orders, and he will be reluctant to recruit real soldiers who might just mutiny and step on his face.

But I hope that all the ites who love to big up the local patty league as a producer of world class talent start to realize that for the odd nugget it might produce, most of its participants would struggle to get into non-league teams in better footballing environments. Let us cultivate the good talents, and continue to support the improvement of the local ballers, but let us start to reach into the diaspora to augment an increasingly limited team.


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/04/11 08:52 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Ecuador thrash Boyz


Omar Cummings

Christian Benitez scored twice as Ecuador thrashed Jamaica 5-2 in an international friendly yesterday.

Jaime Ayovi opened the scoring for Ecuador in the 21st minute and Christian Suarez extended the lead in the 39th, before Benitez made it 3-0 just before half time.

Former Birmingham City striker Benitez, who now plays for America in Mexico, gave Ecuador a four-goal cushion five minutes after the break.

Omar Cummings pulled a goal back for Jamaica in the 58th, before Segundo Castillo scored again for Ecuador in the 65th. Demar Johnson was Jamaica's other goalscorer in the 67th.

high altitude

The loss was the second in a row for the Reggae Boyz, who seemed to struggle with the conditions at the high-altitude Estadio Olimpico Atahualpa Stadium in Quito and may have, despite the convincing scoreline, got off lucky as custodian Dwayne Miller had to be at his very best.

Last month, the team went down 1-0 to China on a trip to the Far East. The team will now turn their attention to their next encounter against Columbia at the Lockhart Stadium, in Florida, on Wednesday.


pelepapa
(Forum General)
09/04/11 11:18 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Ric
Now watch Jamaica's FIFA rankings plummett again after these two 'scrimmage' thrashings by real football nations and then listen to the 'horse dead and cow manure' wi going to hear from 'Chief' Burrell and 'Likkle Indian' Tappa Whitmore.


Mi no like how you deal wid mi boy Tappa dem way deh, but that's a good one Ric.


A Fan
(Forum General)
09/04/11 11:19 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: A Fan
 Originally Posted By: Hamilton Israel
Why not go to Jyute directly; no problems using Jyute, neither anything wrong by contacting the JFF and news outlets ourselves,
the more the merrier.

When they realize there's a chorus of people out there who are incensed at this administration decision making they may do something.

I agree with you HI. Lets not forget that we remain independent with our ideas and need to let the JFF know that we are not under their control. JY is.

All I am saying is that this site has become a thorn in the side of the JFF as we are the only ones that not afraid to question the integrity and accountability of their actions. I am pretty sure that JY is no match for Captain Burrell and must fall in line within the organization or else. They will use the little youth for their deeds.


pelepapa
(Forum General)
09/04/11 01:29 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: distributor1
Something smells here: "Attitude" is not the big problem. This sounds like Burrell and his tin pot army tactics talking through his mouthpiece, Tappa. If you go and get low-rent, semi-amateur ballers to try and prosecute a game against superior professional players you must be willing to admit that there will always be the possibility of problems. You can add sugar to s***, but it will still be s***.

I said in an earlier posting that the "cheap and cheerful" local ballers are there because they are just happy to play, and will settle for peanuts. You can kick them around and pee on them, and they will still be happy to get a chance. Burrell, the old army man, is looking for low paid old JDF types to carry out his orders, and he will be reluctant to recruit real soldiers who might just mutiny and step on his face.

But I hope that all the ites who love to big up the local patty league as a producer of world class talent start to realize that for the odd nugget it might produce, most of its participants would struggle to get into non-league teams in better footballing environments. Let us cultivate the good talents, and continue to support the improvement of the local ballers, but let us start to reach into the diaspora to augment an increasingly limited team.


While everything you said is true you have to realize that there is a balnce to be drawn which is where I think the JFF and the fans keep falling off the tracks.

Calling for a just eliminated Jamaica to bring their 1st stringers to play tune-up games against WC bound teams is foolishness and I don't even think the teams will play them if JA decided to show up as if these are real games. Not even the WC bound teams play these initial tune-up games with their 1st stringers. I think only one Argentina player (Palermo) who played against JA made the WC team. And for emphasis, no other team in the world bring their 1st stringers to these games, teams are notorious for dragging 11 guys off the street to represent them in these games.

It is equally silly to be a few months away from WC qualifiers and not start playing more of your 1st stringers in upcoming friendlies. Lately Burrell has been getting games for JA on a more regular basis so maybe they figure they have time, but this close to qualifiers against opponents the likes of Colombia and Ecuador a team that closely resemble your A-team should be on the field.

That is the balance most of us envision when we support the local ballas. By playing them a time out from any tournament you can select the few standouts who can round out the team come tournament time. You have to play them at sometime, thats the only way you can sustain a programme.

The play your A-team at at all times to maintain rankings crowd always try to mischaracterize that very reasonable argument and the JFF always provide them sufficient ammunition.

I am also concern with Tappa pointing to "attitude" problems from this group. I thought the difference in their attitude was the main reason in selecting them over the more capable players. Maybe it is a fact that the more you play for JA and deal with the JFF your attitude deteriorates. Even the "cheap & cheerful" locals eventually get fed up. The advantage you have with them over the "real soldiers" is that the "real soldiers" get fed up a lot faster and will leave you high and dry at the drop of a dime.


distributor1
(Forum General)
09/05/11 08:09 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Pelepapa, what World Cup bound teams are you talking about? Is Ecuador confirmed for the Cup? China? Colombia? When Argentina used a home-based D team against JA it was just Maradona looking at some fringe locals. Argentina is packed with reams of top level talent, so they can use these types of players against weak opposition. But, one of the reasons Batista came under fire recently was because he used C teams against Nigeria and Poland and got whipped, which neither the public nor the media took kindly to. You will not see that happen again. Notice that Brazil is only using "potential" World Cup players for their exhibitions -- watch their game against Ghana, who will be using the same types of players, today.

Jamaica does not have the luxury of playing a lot of no-count yard ballers in these games, so that they can select one or two. In Costa Rica you have professional football, so even though your national team will eventually become 100% foreign based, there will be no shortage of young well-coached talent coming up to audition. Most national teams take friendly games seriously, and play their first teams. Even the ones that Klinsmann played against Costa Rica were players that he is seriously considering. And the same will be in play against Belgium tomorrow.

Teams experiment all the time, and that is good, but some have the luxury of experimenting, because they have depth. Jamaica does not have that luxury. Plus, we need to see which of the "foreign" ballers will be willing to play for us, and that takes time. They have to be willing to acclimate themselves, and we have to see whether they are capable.

There was no real "attitude" problem with the locals against Ecuador; they were just not good enough, and the JFF does not want to admit it.


Ric
(Forum General)
09/05/11 10:05 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Exactly, Distributor...

I couldn't agree more.

The premise of selecting these local DPL players seem to spring from either of 2 misconceptions and 1 reality or a combination of all 3. These are:

1. That there is no difference in standard or quality of footballers, depending on where they play their football...a balla is a balla and we should expect s similar standard of performance from any balla playing for Jamaica; meaning no difference between a Premiereship balla in England and a DPL balla in Jamaica.( a complete misconception imo).

2. That playing for the Reggaeboyz will miraculously improve the level of ability of the local DPL ballas; so give them 'exposure' and they will improve. That is all they need. ( another total misconception imo).

3. The JFF cannot afford to pay the full-time professional players developed in England or home-produced professionals playing in England a fair match fee for their services based on what their expectations would realistically be and has decided to not call them up. A ticket and accomodation for players from England and Scandanavia would incur a similar expense so they cannot be paying less on that expense for the players that are being consistently called up from the Scandanavian leagues. (possibly a reality).

4. Some of these players have been contacted and turned down the invitation and the JFF has not informed us. ( a highly unlikely scenario).

I believe that the true situation is that Tappa and Burrell really have overestimated the ability of the local DPL players and the overall standard of local football.

To be honest, it would only be some of the senior MLS and Scandanavian-based ballas that would make a totally competitively-picked squad if all of Jamaica's England-based international prospects were to be taken into account in picking a final squad of 23 players...taking it as a given that they had all accepted the invitation and was totally committed to playing for Jamaica.

Tappa and Burrell have to accept that you cannot squeeze blood out of a stone; you cannot turn an amateur/semi-pro local balla into an international-standard player simply by putting him in a national jersey.

What is it that we can see that they do not yet understand about this ?


zilla
(Forum General)
09/05/11 10:46 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: jamatl
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THE losing display by the Reggae Boyz in their 2-5 hammering by Ecuador on Friday has left head coach Theodore Whitmore fuming and even thinking of acquiring players with the right mental attitude for games in adverse conditions.

Whitmore, 39, who took charge of the Jamaican team in 2008, was losing back-to-back games for the first time in his coaching career, thought the high altitude in Quito was a poor excuse for a poor display.

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"I think the attitude of players," he suggested for Jamaica's demise.

Quito, the capital of Ecuador, is approximately 9,000 feet above sea level and Whitmore wanted to use these types of game for the players to get accustomed to similar conditions in Mexico.

"We can't use it as an excuse. When we have to play Mexico in high altitude we have to erase that from the back of our minds. We have to go there and play, so it's now for us to do a lot of work in getting these players focused in playing in whatever conditions if we want to be in Brazil in 2014," noted Whitmore.

Jamaica, who were coming off a 1-0 defeat against China in the Far East on August 10, never turned up and were 3-0 down at the break and 4-0 after 50 minutes.

"I think we started the game very flat and we can always blame the high altitude. Some of the players weren't up for it and that is something we have to look at and this give us a chance to go out there and widen the pool, so come next year we know exactly where we're going," he noted.

Goals by Omar Cummings and Demar Phillips in the 56th and 67th minutes, respectively, brought some semblance of respectability to the scoreline, which should have reflected a wider margin of victory for the South Americans.

"When you look on the first half of the game it was very disappointing compared to the second half where we were competing and actually got two goals," Whitmore observed.

"If we did go out there in the first half and wanted to play, I wouldn't say we wouldn't lose the game, but ...it's not losing the game, it's how you lose it," he reiterated.

"We have to give credit to our goalkeeper (Dwayne Miller)... because the score could easily be 10-2," Whitmore noted.

Meanwhile, yesterday, the core of the team left Quito for Fort Lauderdale where they are scheduled to play Colombia on Tuesday, September 6 at Lockhart Stadium.

The four European-based players, Rudolph Austin, Damion Williams, Dwayne Miller and Demar Phillips, left Friday night for Miami, while three United States-based players in Shavar Thomas, Omar Cummings and Ryan Johnson left early yesterday morning.

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Seething--Tappa--wants-more-focus_9609423#ixzz1WzNGQlK4

Tappa, go suck u self. With this donkey at the head of the senior team I will neva watch the national team. This man need fi tek him low self confidence some weh else. We have neva had so much players in the top leagues in UK at our disposal and this jackass is making us lose a generation of players that we might not see again. Then him a come talk bout getting players with the rite attidute. Ediat u jus a see that after 3 years or more of using these same players.


pressafoot
(Forum General)
09/05/11 11:02 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: zilla
 Originally Posted By: jamatl
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THE losing display by the Reggae Boyz in their 2-5 hammering by Ecuador on Friday has left head coach Theodore Whitmore fuming and even thinking of acquiring players with the right mental attitude for games in adverse conditions.

Whitmore, 39, who took charge of the Jamaican team in 2008, was losing back-to-back games for the first time in his coaching career, thought the high altitude in Quito was a poor excuse for a poor display.

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"I think the attitude of players," he suggested for Jamaica's demise.

Quito, the capital of Ecuador, is approximately 9,000 feet above sea level and Whitmore wanted to use these types of game for the players to get accustomed to similar conditions in Mexico.

"We can't use it as an excuse. When we have to play Mexico in high altitude we have to erase that from the back of our minds. We have to go there and play, so it's now for us to do a lot of work in getting these players focused in playing in whatever conditions if we want to be in Brazil in 2014," noted Whitmore.

Jamaica, who were coming off a 1-0 defeat against China in the Far East on August 10, never turned up and were 3-0 down at the break and 4-0 after 50 minutes.

"I think we started the game very flat and we can always blame the high altitude. Some of the players weren't up for it and that is something we have to look at and this give us a chance to go out there and widen the pool, so come next year we know exactly where we're going," he noted.

Goals by Omar Cummings and Demar Phillips in the 56th and 67th minutes, respectively, brought some semblance of respectability to the scoreline, which should have reflected a wider margin of victory for the South Americans.

"When you look on the first half of the game it was very disappointing compared to the second half where we were competing and actually got two goals," Whitmore observed.

"If we did go out there in the first half and wanted to play, I wouldn't say we wouldn't lose the game, but ...it's not losing the game, it's how you lose it," he reiterated.

"We have to give credit to our goalkeeper (Dwayne Miller)... because the score could easily be 10-2," Whitmore noted.

Meanwhile, yesterday, the core of the team left Quito for Fort Lauderdale where they are scheduled to play Colombia on Tuesday, September 6 at Lockhart Stadium.

The four European-based players, Rudolph Austin, Damion Williams, Dwayne Miller and Demar Phillips, left Friday night for Miami, while three United States-based players in Shavar Thomas, Omar Cummings and Ryan Johnson left early yesterday morning.

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Seething--Tappa--wants-more-focus_9609423#ixzz1WzNGQlK4

Tappa, go suck u self. With this donkey at the head of the senior team I will neva watch the national team. This man need fi tek him low self confidence some weh else. We have neva had so much players in the top leagues in UK at our disposal and this jackass is making us lose a generation of players that we might not see again. Then him a come talk bout getting players with the rite attidute. Ediat u jus a see that after 3 years or more of using these same players.



Jamaica develops sprinters but not so good with distance runners.
Why?

Why can't we develop footballers that can compete on a similar level that the sprinters compete?

It has been almost 14 years now since 1998.

What's being done now with elevating the coaching standards should have been started from back then.

It will take a few more years for the effect of the FIFA projects to take effect. The local clubs do not even participate in the Caribbean club championships to gain valuable international experience.

Facilities locally in Ja are total crap. How many British players would actually come to Ja to train on Cricket pitches?

Plus track season was peaking and i'm sure some of the players' focuses were elsewhere. So, we should expect an improved performance against Colombia because the distraction of track and field is over.


zilla
(Forum General)
09/05/11 11:09 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Hamilton Israel
 Originally Posted By: jamatl
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THE losing display by the Reggae Boyz in their 2-5 hammering by Ecuador on Friday has left head coach Theodore Whitmore fuming and even thinking of acquiring players with the right mental attitude for games in adverse conditions.

Whitmore, 39, who took charge of the Jamaican team in 2008, was losing back-to-back games for the first time in his coaching career, thought the high altitude in Quito was a poor excuse for a poor display.

[Hide Description] WHITMORE... We can’t use altitude as an excuse
[Restore Description]
1/1

"I think the attitude of players," he suggested for Jamaica's demise.

Quito, the capital of Ecuador, is approximately 9,000 feet above sea level and Whitmore wanted to use these types of game for the players to get accustomed to similar conditions in Mexico.

"We can't use it as an excuse. When we have to play Mexico in high altitude we have to erase that from the back of our minds. We have to go there and play, so it's now for us to do a lot of work in getting these players focused in playing in whatever conditions if we want to be in Brazil in 2014," noted Whitmore.

Jamaica, who were coming off a 1-0 defeat against China in the Far East on August 10, never turned up and were 3-0 down at the break and 4-0 after 50 minutes.

"I think we started the game very flat and we can always blame the high altitude. Some of the players weren't up for it and that is something we have to look at and this give us a chance to go out there and widen the pool, so come next year we know exactly where we're going," he noted.

Goals by Omar Cummings and Demar Phillips in the 56th and 67th minutes, respectively, brought some semblance of respectability to the scoreline, which should have reflected a wider margin of victory for the South Americans.

"When you look on the first half of the game it was very disappointing compared to the second half where we were competing and actually got two goals," Whitmore observed.

"If we did go out there in the first half and wanted to play, I wouldn't say we wouldn't lose the game, but ...it's not losing the game, it's how you lose it," he reiterated.

"We have to give credit to our goalkeeper (Dwayne Miller)... because the score could easily be 10-2," Whitmore noted.

Meanwhile, yesterday, the core of the team left Quito for Fort Lauderdale where they are scheduled to play Colombia on Tuesday, September 6 at Lockhart Stadium.

The four European-based players, Rudolph Austin, Damion Williams, Dwayne Miller and Demar Phillips, left Friday night for Miami, while three United States-based players in Shavar Thomas, Omar Cummings and Ryan Johnson left early yesterday morning.

Read more: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/sport/Seething--Tappa--wants-more-focus_9609423#ixzz1WzNGQlK4


Yes TAPPA get mad as hell, cause we are mad too; we are tired of the years of mediocrity and it seems we are heading down that road again.

We have a dozen or so top flight ballers in the UK and it seems we playing patty cake with them.

Get mad, stay mad, let BURRELL know we need the CALVARY, we need the football oil wey deh a England....Mek the Kerosene oil football stay a Jamaica till it get clean. Kno bring it in front a we face come embarass we, mek people a laugh afta we saying we bun kerosene oil wen clean oil aavailable. Mi affi talk parable ca sometime a it we need.

We kno wa no mo kersene oil from Jamaica wey no ready fi burn clean but only a black up me Tele/computer every time mi watch Jamaica ball....

No more VANZIE or Tanzy (whatever his name is), Xavian Virgo, Troy Smith, Keneil Moodie, Montrose and others like dem. Dem kno ready fi top flight ConCaCaf football. Dem a waste we time.

Tell dem fi go put in the hours when nobody is not looking and work and work and work on their weaknesses.

We wa clean oil wey burn without blacking up the place; oil whey being through the rigors and pressure, filtered through the proper pipes and now a bun clean a England.

Me tiyad a kerosene oil football.....LOL


HI, dis is all crappa's doin. U av nuff local balla weh betta than moodie. Moodie a crappa boy a seba. Dmaion Williams a him boy too from Seba. Why would the JFF not want to bring in players from England? Well it cant be expense as mi heat nuff ite wid. To me isnt it more expensive to fly a player from scandanavia than it is from England. 2) Does accomodation cost more wen a player is from England? Hold up mate, Im from England, and the hotel is like well sorry mate I gonna av to charge u extra for ur room, UK residents are charged a higher rate. That is bull So dis crap bout expense needs fi stop. Di donkey crappa a chose him team. Im of the believe that d man suffer fr low self esteem. Fr the fulla and stewart drama di man no call bac no english balla except him fren goodison. Im not blaming the JFF alone. Tappa is the national coach


pelepapa
(Forum General)
09/05/11 01:48 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: distributor1
Pelepapa, what World Cup bound teams are you talking about? Is Ecuador confirmed for the Cup? China? Colombia? When Argentina used a home-based D team against JA it was just Maradona looking at some fringe locals. Argentina is packed with reams of top level talent, so they can use these types of players against weak opposition. But, one of the reasons Batista came under fire recently was because he used C teams against Nigeria and Poland and got whipped, which neither the public nor the media took kindly to. You will not see that happen again. Notice that Brazil is only using "potential" World Cup players for their exhibitions -- watch their game against Ghana, who will be using the same types of players, today.

Jamaica does not have the luxury of playing a lot of no-count yard ballers in these games, so that they can select one or two. In Costa Rica you have professional football, so even though your national team will eventually become 100% foreign based, there will be no shortage of young well-coached talent coming up to audition. Most national teams take friendly games seriously, and play their first teams. Even the ones that Klinsmann played against Costa Rica were players that he is seriously considering. And the same will be in play against Belgium tomorrow.

Teams experiment all the time, and that is good, but some have the luxury of experimenting, because they have depth. Jamaica does not have that luxury. Plus, we need to see which of the "foreign" ballers will be willing to play for us, and that takes time. They have to be willing to acclimate themselves, and we have to see whether they are capable.

There was no real "attitude" problem with the locals against Ecuador; they were just not good enough, and the JFF does not want to admit it.



I see you overlooked where I said that at this point in the process and against an Ecuador or Colombia JA should be playing with a team that closely resemble their A-team.

You making an argument that makes no sense. Who do you think would be in a better position to cherry pick 1 or 2 players from their home league to incorporate into the National team. A Costa Rica who you said have a professional league or a Jamaica who you said have a semi-pro league? Obviously from a semi-pro league you will need to draw a larger pool of players and weed them down to find the few gems. I don't know if JA has the luxury, but they have no other option but to draw a large pool. It is the same reason most people assume that the English players can just walk on the team, because they have confident in the quality of the UK leagues. How are you guys making such demands on the JFF if unnu don't understand what it takes to get the job done? While the JFF's job is to get a capable team on the field, unnu also have to allow them to work within the constraints they have to deal with, and it is important that unnu know those constraints.

It is also a big lie that most teams play their 1st stringers in most friendlies...If that was the case why is there so many contracts demanding the teams bring their best players? Every team have a timetable to develop new players and a timetable to start preparing for upcoming tournaments. If they are in a process of developing players or not close to a tournament you hardly see their full 1st stringers in friendlies. If they are preparing for a tournament or are demanded by contract to play their star players then you see their star players. Even when they are demanded by contract to bring their best players most teams try to skirt their responsibility by leaving the players on the bench, or playing them as little as possible. That's probably why they have so many subs in friendlies, so they can sub out most of their star players.

Don't get me wrong, the UK ballas could be part of the development process as well. I don't think just because they play in the UK they are a lock to make the team, therefore they should be part of the development as well. But this notion of having no development process, when the very nature of Jamaica demands it, is a fallacy IMO.

As I said I found the "attitude" excuse strange myself. Maybe the "attitude" he is talking about is a lack of fight, moreso than something behavioral.


pelepapa
(Forum General)
09/05/11 02:20 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Ric
Exactly, Distributor...

I couldn't agree more.

I believe that the true situation is that Tappa and Burrell really have overestimated the ability of the local DPL players and the overall standard of local football.

What is it that we can see that they do not yet understand about this ?


What basis are Tappa and Burrell using to overestimate the ability of the DPL players and the overall standard of local football? The power of the weed?

Does that even sound like a remote possibility?

Let mi try to get this straight. Burrell underestimate the local coaches because he is foreign mind and he overestimate the local players and local leagues where these local coaches coach because he is....? LOCO?

I am not defending the JFF, I have been pointing out their ineptness for forever, but there is an equal amount of ineptness coming from the opposition as well. Most of the proposals being made from the opposition would be useful if JA had unlimited resources and only one game to prepare for. Unnu sound just like the political scene in JA. The opposition always yelling about what should be done and when they get in power you find them doing the same things the prior ruling party was doing. I guess the responsibility of ruling while running smack up against constraints is different than yelling from the sideline where everything seem possible.


zilla
(Forum General)
09/05/11 02:29 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Distributor, I am an advocate of the local league. I watch the games and I kno if we have the facility of even the college sytem in the USA the DPL would be the best league in the Caribbean and a competitive league in concacaf. Let me ask u dis bibi, fulla, goodison, lowe, boyd, daley, daley, davis, steward, austin, morrison, and i can go on and on, where did they hone their skills, England? Brethren stop chat bullsh.. However at the same time I do not believe in an all local side. Jamaica's team shld be made up of the best available players no matter where they play and where dem born. From dem a Jamaican they shd be afforded the opportunity. Even if the DPL was of the standard of MLS or even the Mexican league, I wld still not push for an all local team unless the best players were indeed from the local league. Dat balla weh deh a liverpool and di deh pon the english u17, if him did still deh a Marvaly, u tink him wld be a star yute playa rite now. We have the quality, we jus need the system.

The money and the time weh burrel a spent fi buss/develop local ballas in international matches needs to stop. Ballas are developed in local and regional leagues. Di money weh him spent a do that him shld give a grant to the winners of the dpl so that dem can enter the champions league. As a matter of fact buildin a solid team and including a couple of the unrefine local players does more to their development and "bussing" than putting a bunch a dem pon a field to be humiliated. If a contract him a dweet fah that cant work. I doubt scouts have time fi watch a team weh a get beat up. If u put a mediocre player pon a good team him look like a good playa and is more likley to earn a pro contract overseas. These administrators needs to wake up and smell d money


Ric
(Forum General)
09/05/11 02:52 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

If a 5-2 trashing isn't enough to suss out sense from nonsense and make some people see the realities of Jamaican football, nothing else will.

If Jamaica has the luxury of losing by the 5s and 6s to the Ecuadors and Englands of the football world while developing the local situation to required professional standards, then by all means...happily go that route.

By the time the bus has arrived, it will arrive empty of any public support;the current crop of local players being used now fall way below the generation before who have earned professional status and reputations in England, particurlarly and if the players in MLS and Scandanavia were good enough, they would have followed their colleagues into the English leagues.

Demar Phillips was transferred to Stoke City when they were in the Championship and simply didn't make the grade; Luton Shelton, the same with Sheffield United when they were in the Prem.

If 'developing local players' is the priority, then Jamaica can do a repeat of the 2010 WC qualifiers for the next 50 years and maybe by that time Jamaica will have gotten there.

If Jamaica hopes to qualify for the World Cup anytime again soon with 'developing local players' then Jamaica will not see participation in a World Cup again anytime soon.

Its really all about priorities in Jamaica's case.


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/05/11 05:21 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Which potential Reggaeboyz players are currently making the grade in the EPL or League Championship?

pelepapa
(Forum General)
09/05/11 06:17 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Ric I hope you never use to mix cement back home. You know where you build a pyramid with the sand and cement and pour the water in the middle? You will plug the first spill, throw down you shovel and walk away satisfied with yourself not realizing that by covering that initial leak you created a bigger leak on the other side that you will also require to plug or lose the whole thing.

Even if I grant you that under your proposal the Jamaican team would be the best in CONCACAF, how long you think the team will be sustainable before it all comes crumbling down under its financial weight, players' more important commitments and dissention from dealing with the JFF? I'll give you 2 years top.

You will bring the UK contingent to play the Caribbean cup as well? Which English team you think will be happy to release their players for that tournament? Or maybe you turn to the unprepared locals to see you through that tournament, they are unprepared and fail and you are out of GC. Your rankings fall, the UK ballas get disullusioned and start finding excuses not to show up for friendlies against the likes of Haiti and Grenada as those are the only friendlies JA can muster. Did I say I give you 2 years? Make that 1 1/2 years.

Find a balance solution that ensures the sustainability of the programme, not just a solution to win a game that will create more problems down the line, even if you can't see it.


theworm2345
(Forum General)
09/05/11 06:32 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: pelepapa
You will bring the UK contingent to play the Caribbean cup as well? Which English team you think will be happy to release their players for that tournament? Or maybe you turn to the unprepared locals to see you through that tournament, they are unprepared and fail and you are out of GC. Your rankings fall, the UK ballas get disullusioned and start finding excuses not to show up for friendlies against the likes of Haiti and Grenada as those are the only friendlies JA can muster. Did I say I give you 2 years? Make that 1 1/2 years.

The Caribbean Cup will supposedly be held in June next year so the players will have no club commitment excuse.


pelepapa
(Forum General)
09/05/11 06:57 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: theworm2345
 Originally Posted By: pelepapa
You will bring the UK contingent to play the Caribbean cup as well? Which English team you think will be happy to release their players for that tournament? Or maybe you turn to the unprepared locals to see you through that tournament, they are unprepared and fail and you are out of GC. Your rankings fall, the UK ballas get disullusioned and start finding excuses not to show up for friendlies against the likes of Haiti and Grenada as those are the only friendlies JA can muster. Did I say I give you 2 years? Make that 1 1/2 years.

The Caribbean Cup will supposedly be held in June next year so the players will have no club commitment excuse.


How about the standard family vacation excuse, or showing up out of shape like they did for the 2009 GC? I know Ric is going to say that these professional players would never do such a thing. Anyway lets watch the ride.


distributor1
(Forum General)
09/05/11 08:54 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: zilla
Distributor, I am an advocate of the local league. I watch the games and I kno if we have the facility of even the college sytem in the USA the DPL would be the best league in the Caribbean and a competitive league in concacaf. Let me ask u dis bibi, fulla, goodison, lowe, boyd, daley, daley, davis, steward, austin, morrison, and i can go on and on, where did they hone their skills, England? Brethren stop chat bullsh.. However at the same time I do not believe in an all local side. Jamaica's team shld be made up of the best available players no matter where they play and where dem born. From dem a Jamaican they shd be afforded the opportunity. Even if the DPL was of the standard of MLS or even the Mexican league, I wld still not push for an all local team unless the best players were indeed from the local league. Dat balla weh deh a liverpool and di deh pon the english u17, if him did still deh a Marvaly, u tink him wld be a star yute playa rite now. We have the quality, we jus need the system.

The money and the time weh burrel a spent fi buss/develop local ballas in international matches needs to stop. Ballas are developed in local and regional leagues. Di money weh him spent a do that him shld give a grant to the winners of the dpl so that dem can enter the champions league. As a matter of fact buildin a solid team and including a couple of the unrefine local players does more to their development and "bussing" than putting a bunch a dem pon a field to be humiliated. If a contract him a dweet fah that cant work. I doubt scouts have time fi watch a team weh a get beat up. If u put a mediocre player pon a good team him look like a good playa and is more likley to earn a pro contract overseas. These administrators needs to wake up and smell d money


Zilla, you have missed where I have said that one should not dismiss all local talent, but try to make use of the best local talent in the national team. Yes, I agree that the national team is not the place to be developing that talent, but because Jamaica has such a weak league system it is often the place where locals can get some attention from foreign clubs. How many times have you heard Burrell and, more recently, Tappa say this.

But the big point is this: the DPL is poor, and since you watch it regularly you will know that. It is poor because of many reasons, not just the island's poverty and lack of resources. It might have improved over the years, but we cannot rely on it to the extent that we are doing without augmenting the national team with a wider gene pool of players. As for this comment of yours, you need to think again:

Let me ask u dis bibi, fulla, goodison, lowe, boyd, daley, daley, davis, steward, austin, morrison, and i can go on and on, where did they hone their skills, England? Brethren stop chat bullsh..

It was the move abroad that "honed the skills" of most of that list -- just ask the players. The best ones such as Bibi, Fuller, Damion Stewart, Claude Davis, Omar Daley, Pepe Goodison, and Jason Morrison became much better players because of their exposure to stronger coaching and competition, and most have testified to this. I used to laugh when Neil Warnock used to praise Claude Davis's improvement by stating that he had only been playing the game a couple of years -- this was in reference to Claude's time playing it in England -- not because I thought that Warnock was so dismissive of JA, but because he was acknowledging the vast gulf between professional football and amateur football.

We should also note that none of our players moved directly into a top league, but moved into developmental leagues, such as Keammar is doing now: a League One (third division) team in England. I have heard Goodison talk about how his heading was weak and uncontrolled until he was made to practice, practice, practice in high pressured environments.

Let's agree that the local talent needs to be developed and encouraged, and let us agree that we need to be augmenting the best locals with the best players from the diaspora to form the strongest national team.


distributor1
(Forum General)
09/05/11 09:47 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: pelepapa


It is also a big lie that most teams play their 1st stringers in most friendlies...If that was the case why is there so many contracts demanding the teams bring their best players? Every team have a timetable to develop new players and a timetable to start preparing for upcoming tournaments. If they are in a process of developing players or not close to a tournament you hardly see their full 1st stringers in friendlies. If they are preparing for a tournament or are demanded by contract to play their star players then you see their star players. Even when they are demanded by contract to bring their best players most teams try to skirt their responsibility by leaving the players on the bench, or playing them as little as possible. That's probably why they have so many subs in friendlies, so they can sub out most of their star players.

Don't get me wrong, the UK ballas could be part of the development process as well. I don't think just because they play in the UK they are a lock to make the team, therefore they should be part of the development as well. But this notion of having no development process, when the very nature of Jamaica demands it, is a fallacy IMO.

As I said I found the "attitude" excuse strange myself. Maybe the "attitude" he is talking about is a lack of fight, moreso than something behavioral.


Pelepapa, I watch a ton of friendlies, as I am sure you do. And I can tell you that nearly all the ones that I see have players who are either first or second choices in them. And I am talking about countries such as Italy, Spain, Portugal, England, Germany, France, Brazil, Argentina, Ghana, Nigeria, Holland and so on. Indeed, so busy is the international calendar that when teams are not preparing for one tournament they are preparing for another. For example, with the European Championships next season you will only see the big teams play regulars in friendlies, and the smaller teams who do not make it will play near-lock players in preparation for World Cup qualifying, which will start soon after. The South Americans had to play "top" players to prepare for the Copa, and now they are entering qualifiers, so there is no choice. They will introduce a few new faces here and there, but they always have their fundamental squads in action.

One of the reasons why managers such as Wenger and Ferguson keep calling for the elimination of friendly games is because they keep losing major players to these. You will have to tell me the games that you have been watching where you are seeing third and fourth choice players. Jamaica has little choice, because next year is almost here.


pelepapa
(Forum General)
09/06/11 03:33 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: distributor1
 Originally Posted By: pelepapa


It is also a big lie that most teams play their 1st stringers in most friendlies...If that was the case why is there so many contracts demanding the teams bring their best players? Every team have a timetable to develop new players and a timetable to start preparing for upcoming tournaments. If they are in a process of developing players or not close to a tournament you hardly see their full 1st stringers in friendlies. If they are preparing for a tournament or are demanded by contract to play their star players then you see their star players. Even when they are demanded by contract to bring their best players most teams try to skirt their responsibility by leaving the players on the bench, or playing them as little as possible. That's probably why they have so many subs in friendlies, so they can sub out most of their star players.

Don't get me wrong, the UK ballas could be part of the development process as well. I don't think just because they play in the UK they are a lock to make the team, therefore they should be part of the development as well. But this notion of having no development process, when the very nature of Jamaica demands it, is a fallacy IMO.

As I said I found the "attitude" excuse strange myself. Maybe the "attitude" he is talking about is a lack of fight, moreso than something behavioral.


Pelepapa, I watch a ton of friendlies, as I am sure you do. And I can tell you that nearly all the ones that I see have players who are either first or second choices in them. And I am talking about countries such as Italy, Spain, Portugal, England, Germany, France, Brazil, Argentina, Ghana, Nigeria, Holland and so on. Indeed, so busy is the international calendar that when teams are not preparing for one tournament they are preparing for another. For example, with the European Championships next season you will only see the big teams play regulars in friendlies, and the smaller teams who do not make it will play near-lock players in preparation for World Cup qualifying, which will start soon after. The South Americans had to play "top" players to prepare for the Copa, and now they are entering qualifiers, so there is no choice. They will introduce a few new faces here and there, but they always have their fundamental squads in action.

One of the reasons why managers such as Wenger and Ferguson keep calling for the elimination of friendly games is because they keep losing major players to these. You will have to tell me the games that you have been watching where you are seeing third and fourth choice players. Jamaica has little choice, because next year is almost here.


As Ronald Reagan would say. There you go again.

I said teams play their 1st stringers when they a preparing for upcoming tournaments and you countered that by saying that teams such as Spain, England Germany, etal have a busy international schedule whereas they are always preparing for one tournament or the other, therefore they play their 1st stringers. Well isn't that my point, that in preparation for tournaments teams will play friendlies with their 1st stringers?

By the way that is why the international tournaments have falling off so much. There are too many tournaments and the teams don't have a break to develop other players or rest their 1st stringers, so they show up to tournaments bone tired and or carrying nagging injuries.

Lets relate this to Jamaica, because you are talking about Spain, England, Germany, etc...which has no relevance whatsoever to JA. How busy is JA's international calendar? What was the lapse in time between the day they were eliminated from WC qualifiers and the next tournament where they would've needed their 1st stringers, the GC? Don't you think that there was enough time to incorporate a developmental phase where you introduce new players into the programme and also a preparation phase where you take the few standouts from the developmental phase and play them along with the regulars as part of the preparation phase for the upcoming tournament?

That is exactly the way it started out, but The JFF never switched to the preparation phase, they just continued the developmental phase throughout the GC. Why? I have no idea. That's why unnu should've stuck with Boxhill He was doing the developmental and preparation phases perfectly, but the fans with the help of Burrell started watching each individual game instead of looking at the big picture. Who the hell really care about losing to England in 2006? Which tournament was JA preparing for when they played England in 2006? None. Exactly! Yet that game was the rallying point to get rid of Boxhill.

Let me emphasize that as far as I am concern the developmental phase has nothing to do with bussing players. It is a period when you introduce new players into the programme. These players can come from anywhere on the face of the world, but in most countries the majority of these players will come from the local ranks, for the obvious reason.


Skilachi
(Forum General)
09/06/11 03:40 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Ecuador is leading Costa Rica 4-0

pelepapa
(Forum General)
09/06/11 03:49 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Skilachi
Ecuador is leading Costa Rica 4-0


We are in a developmental phase. Nobody cares.

To be quite honest I hardly look at these games.


jamatl
(Forum General)
09/06/11 03:58 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Interesting

pelepapa
(Forum General)
09/06/11 04:16 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Ecuador is flexing their muscles up and down CONCACAF. Lets see if they can do the same thing when they meet teams their own size.

Ric
(Forum General)
09/06/11 06:33 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: pelepapa
Ric I hope you never use to mix cement back home. You know where you build a pyramid with the sand and cement and pour the water in the middle? You will plug the first spill, throw down you shovel and walk away satisfied with yourself not realizing that by covering that initial leak you created a bigger leak on the other side that you will also require to plug or lose the whole thing.

Even if I grant you that under your proposal the Jamaican team would be the best in CONCACAF, how long you think the team will be sustainable before it all comes crumbling down under its financial weight, players' more important commitments and dissention from dealing with the JFF? I'll give you 2 years top.

You will bring the UK contingent to play the Caribbean cup as well? Which English team you think will be happy to release their players for that tournament? Or maybe you turn to the unprepared locals to see you through that tournament, they are unprepared and fail and you are out of GC. Your rankings fall, the UK ballas get disullusioned and start finding excuses not to show up for friendlies against the likes of Haiti and Grenada as those are the only friendlies JA can muster. Did I say I give you 2 years? Make that 1 1/2 years.

Find a balance solution that ensures the sustainability of the programme, not just a solution to win a game that will create more problems down the line, even if you can't see it.


Pelepappa

I'm not questioning your reasoning but if Jamaica had that luxury then WC qualification cannot and should not be a priority and no one should worry or complain when Jamaica does not do well in qualifiers and fail to qualify for any upcoming WCs.

Jamaica is not in a position to have its cake and eat it too.

When Simoes first came to Jamaica he tried the local development route and found it to be a fruitless task for which he had no time so he did what all the other weaker football sides in the world were doing; using FIFA's rules on qualified players to strengthen their teams...if Simoes had stuck with the local Jamaican players who he started out with, Jamaica would have never reached France 98.

If the USA had stuck with the local development route, they would never have qualified for every single WC since Italia 90.

Choose your medicine; you cannot have it both ways when it comes to teams like the USA and Jamaica; if the USA were now using players that only played in MLS, they would be in the same position as Jamaica...playing piss poor football and going absolutely nowhere.

Costa Rica beat them recently but are picking up 4 from Ecuador tonight....does the gap between CONCACAF and the stronger football federations not tell you something ?

It tells me that CONCACAF teams, outside of Mexico have to do whatever it takes to get immediate results...no one remembers the loser tomorrow and no one cares what development plans are in place for 20 years down the line...they are only interested in todays results.


Ric
(Forum General)
09/06/11 06:58 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

In addition to what I've already said...I'm not advocating abandoning local development programs and giving local players required opportunities and exposure...

What I and others are saying is that this is detrimental and counterproductive when this comes at the expense of results and quality when there are alternative players that stand a better chance of producing both better results and quality football.

Since 1998, Jamaica's local standard of footballer has regressed; there has been no real progress in development to speak of; one or two decent ballas have come along within that time but one or two per every 5 years is no results of any progress or success in developing Jamaica's local football standards, either on or off the field.

As I've said before, if WC qualification is not a priority, then this is not a problem and Jamaica has all the time in the world to stick with the local situation until there is some progress but...

Somehow I believe most of us will not be around by the time that was to happen, if it ever did.


pelepapa
(Forum General)
09/06/11 08:07 PM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Ric
 Originally Posted By: pelepapa
Ric I hope you never use to mix cement back home. You know where you build a pyramid with the sand and cement and pour the water in the middle? You will plug the first spill, throw down you shovel and walk away satisfied with yourself not realizing that by covering that initial leak you created a bigger leak on the other side that you will also require to plug or lose the whole thing.

Even if I grant you that under your proposal the Jamaican team would be the best in CONCACAF, how long you think the team will be sustainable before it all comes crumbling down under its financial weight, players' more important commitments and dissention from dealing with the JFF? I'll give you 2 years top.

You will bring the UK contingent to play the Caribbean cup as well? Which English team you think will be happy to release their players for that tournament? Or maybe you turn to the unprepared locals to see you through that tournament, they are unprepared and fail and you are out of GC. Your rankings fall, the UK ballas get disullusioned and start finding excuses not to show up for friendlies against the likes of Haiti and Grenada as those are the only friendlies JA can muster. Did I say I give you 2 years? Make that 1 1/2 years.

Find a balance solution that ensures the sustainability of the programme, not just a solution to win a game that will create more problems down the line, even if you can't see it.


Pelepappa

I'm not questioning your reasoning but if Jamaica had that luxury then WC qualification cannot and should not be a priority and no one should worry or complain when Jamaica does not do well in qualifiers and fail to qualify for any upcoming WCs.

Jamaica is not in a position to have its cake and eat it too.

When Simoes first came to Jamaica he tried the local development route and found it to be a fruitless task for which he had no time so he did what all the other weaker football sides in the world were doing; using FIFA's rules on qualified players to strengthen their teams...if Simoes had stuck with the local Jamaican players who he started out with, Jamaica would have never reached France 98.

If the USA had stuck with the local development route, they would never have qualified for every single WC since Italia 90.

Choose your medicine; you cannot have it both ways when it comes to teams like the USA and Jamaica; if the USA were now using players that only played in MLS, they would be in the same position as Jamaica...playing piss poor football and going absolutely nowhere.

Costa Rica beat them recently but are picking up 4 from Ecuador tonight....does the gap between CONCACAF and the stronger football federations not tell you something ?

It tells me that CONCACAF teams, outside of Mexico have to do whatever it takes to get immediate results...no one remembers the loser tomorrow and no one cares what development plans are in place for 20 years down the line...they are only interested in todays results.


That's why I give ddread props. He proposed something similar, but unlike most, he is under no illusion that it is sustainable, or is the blueprint to develop JA football. I sense he is just looking for a one off for JA. He just wants to feel the excitement of 1998 one more time, irrespective of what happens afterwards.


Grinds
(Forum General)
09/07/11 08:52 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

To hear both of you guys banter is counterproductive because both of you want the samee goal, but see differing approaches. However, I see that both of you are not too far apart.

Here goes...We must continue to infuse local talent into the team, but not at the expense of losing either. Frankly, I am not too overly impressed with our senior players in England. They have ATTITUDE and my COUNTRY comne before them! They do not play as well for country as they play for their clubs. Still that maybe the fact that they get PAID at their clubs and there is a pecking order in place. God knows I like Bibi but not always been impressed with his performance on the field when playing for JAMAICA. Fuller, just the same. However, I CANNOT SAY THE SAME FOR PEPE GOODISON!! In saying that, he absolutely shocked me when he missed the game and had to be sent home for the GC. So there lies the indiscipline that stardom brings many a times.

My approach would be to have the up and coming English players along with a few Senior members from England to come to the team that we do have already. Omar is now consistent so he should be a staple like how we continue to utilize Austin. Sometimes I think he's too agressive BUT his heart is in the right place! Naw LEFT HIM or Morisson out!

Claude and stew peas should also be there to add salt to the back four. Lets see that young man Kieron Barnard from Orlando City FC. Sad that we should utilize him now but 25-40mins cannot kill him to show his pedigree. All these guys that played U-20 for us from England where are they like the one I think at West Bromwich I think??(help me out here).They are a few willing and able body players that are in higher leagues and with disciplne that would love to play for JAMAICA.

We have seen what our U-20 leading scores can do in international matches...NOT GOOD! Wasteful and lack basic shooting skills or composure. We will not throw them by the wayside but they are not ready until such time then we take them for the 20mins spells in frienlies or WC qualifiers.

Thats just my opinion for now, but I've suggested many things to improve our ballers and to have the imput of past players in leadership roles to nurture talent along with more coaching courses at various clubs around the world for at least 6-months tenures. They are the ones to bring back the goods to the island. Why haven't we utilize Valencia's youth system with coach exchanges. Why haven't JFF and local sponsors propose programs like these for promising youth coaches. Has Altimont Butler been considered as our National U-20 coach? He has been excellent in the U.S, Central America and now in Europe. Always winning and also humble. What we cannot reward our own at that level? Are the Brazilians with the nepotism system better? Cho.....lata yah!


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/08/11 12:18 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

 Originally Posted By: Grinds
To hear both of you guys banter is counterproductive because both of you want the samee goal, but see differing approaches. However, I see that both of you are not too far apart.

Here goes...We must continue to infuse local talent into the team, but not at the expense of losing either. Frankly, I am not too overly impressed with our senior players in England. They have ATTITUDE and my COUNTRY comne before them! They do not play as well for country as they play for their clubs. Still that maybe the fact that they get PAID at their clubs and there is a pecking order in place. God knows I like Bibi but not always been impressed with his performance on the field when playing for JAMAICA. Fuller, just the same. However, I CANNOT SAY THE SAME FOR PEPE GOODISON!! In saying that, he absolutely shocked me when he missed the game and had to be sent home for the GC. So there lies the indiscipline that stardom brings many a times.

My approach would be to have the up and coming English players along with a few Senior members from England to come to the team that we do have already. Omar is now consistent so he should be a staple like how we continue to utilize Austin. Sometimes I think he's too agressive BUT his heart is in the right place! Naw LEFT HIM or Morisson out!

Claude and stew peas should also be there to add salt to the back four. Lets see that young man Kieron Barnard from Orlando City FC. Sad that we should utilize him now but 25-40mins cannot kill him to show his pedigree. All these guys that played U-20 for us from England where are they like the one I think at West Bromwich I think??(help me out here).They are a few willing and able body players that are in higher leagues and with disciplne that would love to play for JAMAICA.

We have seen what our U-20 leading scores can do in international matches...NOT GOOD! Wasteful and lack basic shooting skills or composure. We will not throw them by the wayside but they are not ready until such time then we take them for the 20mins spells in frienlies or WC qualifiers.

Thats just my opinion for now, but I've suggested many things to improve our ballers and to have the imput of past players in leadership roles to nurture talent along with more coaching courses at various clubs around the world for at least 6-months tenures. They are the ones to bring back the goods to the island. Why haven't we utilize Valencia's youth system with coach exchanges. Why haven't JFF and local sponsors propose programs like these for promising youth coaches. Has Altimont Butler been considered as our National U-20 coach? He has been excellent in the U.S, Central America and now in Europe. Always winning and also humble. What we cannot reward our own at that level? Are the Brazilians with the nepotism system better? Cho.....lata yah!


Grinds, the two 'ites you reasoning with when they say UK Boyz thay are not talking about BIBI, FULLER, PEPE, STEW PEAS, CLAUDE etc., they are already a part of the team; they are talking about the new generation of Boyz playing top flight football in the EPL/CHAMP. So don't get things mix up.

DANIEL STURRIDGE
JERMAINE BECKFORD
CHRIS HUMPREY
ZAVON HINES
DARREN PRATLEY
DANIEL GORDON
LUKE HUBBINS
KARL HENRY
SYLVA EBANKS BLAKE
JOBI McANUFF
NATHAN SMITH
MARK LITTLE

These are full professional players playing in England's highest leauges EPL/CHAMPIONSHIP.

We want our local ballas to succeed and fulfill their potential, but thst is entirely up to them and their hard work put.

The JFF and national team can only facilitate the local base as they prove they are worthy of being called up.

Right now we have players getting trials and contract oversee that aren't part of the nationanal set up.

The national team is not for everybody, it's not anyone's proving ground. The national team is reserved for our very best players whereever they are. And no one is discounting any of our local distinguish talent such as KEAMAR DALEY & STEVENS -who we saw last night, play very well.

The national team is not where a player come to get a bly. We have to shelve the "Mom & Pop" football mentality and step up to wolrd standard in thinking and management.

It can't be where everyone and dem dog want them personal star balla on the national set up. This is a new age, a new generation, and Jamaica's football tribalism of the past have no place in world football today.

We have to get to the point just like any reputable top national side that just because a player may have some promise he shouldn't automatically get a call up, if we have more experience and better polish players to call at that position.

I could name some real quality players in the MLS for the USA that are not a part of the USA squad. Again the national team is not for everyone.


Hamilton Israel
(Forum General)
09/08/11 12:53 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

To me the JFF is lacking vision and perception. There has to be new mind set in Jamaica football.

To me we would be better served if one of these FIFA match dates is used for strictly trials in JA at the national stadium.

With the 12 new generation we have in England coupled with the 12-14 we have as a nucleus presently.

Jason Morrison
Omar Daley
Damian Williams
Jevaughn Watson
Rodolph Austin
Keammar Daley
Omar Cummings
Luton Shelton
Ryan Johnson
Dane Richards
Demar Phillips
Eric Vernan
Jermaine Taylor
Shavar Thomas
Adrian Reid
Dicoy
Stevens
BiBI
Fuller
============================================
DANIEL STURRIDGE
JERMAINE BECKFORD
CHRIS HUMPREY
ZAVON HINES
DARREN PRATLEY
DANIEL GORDON
LUKE HUBBINS
KARL HENRY
SYLVA EBANKS BLAKE
JOBI McANUFF
NATHAN SMITH
MARK LITTLE


A week of intense training and scrutiny; playing against themselves as well as an all star team of local ballas.

The prupose of this important phase, is to introduce the 12 UK 'ites to Jamaica, the surroundings, local ballas. For them to get a good feel for the country of their roots they representing.

Also another reason for this phase is to see which of the UK Boyz will fit the bill. To see even if playing Top flight football that they are adaptable to our style of play.

This is where Attitude, desire and the like would be checked to see if in the right place.

To me this would be a viable and important trial set up for our national set up.

The JFF and the coaching staff would be able to get the most mileage out of being able to abserve about 27 players for a full weak of intense, focused, no nonsense football.

Having a final game of players from the UK and the nucleus being carefully paired together, schedule for the final day live on antional TV and the internet for all Jamaicans far and wide to observe the new mind set of the Jamaica federation.

Will we ever live to see a revolution of this sort? only God knows....

Out of this surgical type scrutiny then a new starting 11 should emerge for the next FIFA match day.

....And at the same time there's another starting 11 on the bench. That's how the big sides like SPAIN does it.


Grinds
(Forum General)
09/08/11 09:53 AM
Re: Ecuador vs Jamaica , Friendly on 2. September

Boss, HI mi naw sey nuttin whey yu nah sey! Mi only mentin dem balla dey as example wid attitide fio play fi we as a nation. Yu point good still fi dat kind of one week ting.